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Old 09-07-2021, 09:26 AM
 
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I'd punt.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:28 AM
 
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My gf says it's sexist in the sense that it, like many things, was pushed on women, by male scientists back when it came out, when they never bothered to invent a birth control pill for men as well. Even to this day there is no pill for men, because society expects the woman to be the fully responsible one.

Does she have a point there?
No. She doesn't understand the biology. She's been listening to feminutter nonsense. They have tried to make a pill for men as long as for women, but it's harder to do for men. Women release 1-2 eggs per month and men make millions of sperm per day.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:29 AM
 
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I'm pretty sure researchers can come up with an oral contraceptive for men. But it'll be a hard sell because women can't trust men. Some unreliable guy forgets to take the pill and the woman gets pregnant. It gives all the control to men, who will decide whether or not the woman gets pregnant. Talk about being sexist!
Very good point. Of course if that had happened instead of the pill for women, the feminists would claim that too was sexist against women.

There’s no satisfying the feminists or Leftists.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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I'm pretty sure researchers can come up with an oral contraceptive for men. But it'll be a hard sell because women can't trust men. Some unreliable guy forgets to take the pill and the woman gets pregnant. It gives all the control to men, who will decide whether or not the woman gets pregnant. Talk about being sexist!



Good point.


Should a woman, (who can get pregnant) trust a guy (who can't) when he says, "I'm on the pill"?
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Good point.


Should a woman, (who can get pregnant) trust a guy (who can't) when he says, "I'm on the pill"?

From my point of view, it's about giving people a way to easily use two forms of birth control. If one of them forgets or has their pill fail, the other one is a stopgap.


Not to mention that there are medical reasons why some women absolutely cannot use hormonal birth control, and some women prefer not to use an IUD before they have their first child. In a steady partnership, like marriage, I assume most people trust their partners. And if you don't, sounds like couples therapy or divorce is more called for than worrying about who takes the pill.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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No. She doesn't understand the biology. She's been listening to feminutter nonsense. They have tried to make a pill for men as long as for women, but it's harder to do for men. Women release 1-2 eggs per month and men make millions of sperm per day.
Exactly.

It's much, much easier and more effective to control 1 or 2 cells per month as opposed to millions per day.
Also, it must be taken into consideration the application of the reproductive cells. Women contain the cells, men expell theirs.

Keeping an egg from implanting is far easier from a medical standpoint than trying to stop the ejaculate from contacting the egg. Thus the condom vs pill for men.

No, it isn't sexist, it's biology. However, blaming males for the way nature designed us is misogynist and is sexist.
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Old 09-07-2021, 11:36 AM
 
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OP: Your GF is probably too young to know the relief women felt when the birth control pill was developed and made available. Women now had an easy, generally reliable way to control conception.

Prior to the Pill, women had to rely on diaphragms, cervical caps, creams, and jellies. Very messy and deliberative. "yes - I will put in my diaphragm because I have a date and I might want to have sex later." "Yes- I will put the cream in my purse, because I might want to have sex later."

Condoms were and are still used to control STDs but women can control contraception. That's power.
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Old 09-07-2021, 11:40 AM
 
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"pushed on women?"

You lost me there, partner.
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Old 09-07-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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OP: Your GF is probably too young to know the relief women felt when the birth control pill was developed and made available. Women now had an easy, generally reliable way to control conception.

Prior to the Pill, women had to rely on diaphragms, cervical caps, creams, and jellies. Very messy and deliberative. "yes - I will put in my diaphragm because I have a date and I might want to have sex later." "Yes- I will put the cream in my purse, because I might want to have sex later."

Condoms were and are still used to control STDs but women can control contraception. That's power.
Oral birth control has been available in some fashion since the 1950s. The impact of progesterone on fertility was initially noticed with the development of norethindrone. The FDA had them list fertility loss as a side effect. Let's just say there was a sudden increase in menstrual cramps being diagnosed.

Diaphragm needs to be carefully sized. If you already had a baby, it's not that good even with spermicide because of stretching.

The developers of oral birth control wanted to give power to women since they get pregnant. The have tried to develop male oral birth control but it hasn't worked out
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:22 PM
 
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Good point.


Should a woman, (who can get pregnant) trust a guy (who can't) when he says, "I'm on the pill"?
Oh but I thought that women would be just as much of a risk to trust as guys when they say they are on it, wouldn't they be?
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