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Old 09-07-2021, 01:53 AM
 
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My gf says it's sexist in the sense that it, like many things, was pushed on women, by male scientists back when it came out, when they never bothered to invent a birth control pill for men as well. Even to this day there is no pill for men, because society expects the woman to be the fully responsible one.

Does she have a point there? I alwasy assumed maybe scientists haven't been able to invent a birth control pill for men and that was the reason why one was never invented, but could it be that they could invent one if they wanted to, but they do not want to, in the name of sexism, if that is likely the case?
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Old 09-07-2021, 02:42 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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No she does not have a point. The thing is, birth control pills work by altering a woman's hormone cycles. Attempts have indeed been made to develop a male 'pill'. Not very successful though. Men and women just work differently.

I must say though, thinking of birth control as being sexist is a new one for me. Remember that the whole idea of birth control is preventing pregnancy in women. I suppose that is sexist in a way. Is that a bad thing?

Ah, I had momentarily forgotten - there is a male birth prevention. It's called a condom. They have been around for a very long time. The ancient Egyptians had them. Now those are sexist! They discriminate against men. Try that on her and see how it goes down.

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Old 09-07-2021, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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My gf says it's sexist in the sense that it, like many things, was pushed on women, by male scientists back when it came out, when they never bothered to invent a birth control pill for men as well. Even to this day there is no pill for men, because society expects the woman to be the fully responsible one.

Does she have a point there? I alwasy assumed maybe scientists haven't been able to invent a birth control pill for men and that was the reason why one was never invented, but could it be that they could invent one if they wanted to, but they do not want to, in the name of sexism, if that is likely the case?


Did Mother Nature have a point when she decided that only women can get pregnant?
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Old 09-07-2021, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Men and women just work differently.
How dare you.
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Old 09-07-2021, 03:27 AM
 
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My gf says it's sexist in the sense that it, like many things, was pushed on women, by male scientists back when it came out, when they never bothered to invent a birth control pill for men as well. Even to this day there is no pill for men, because society expects the woman to be the fully responsible one.

Does she have a point there? I alwasy assumed maybe scientists haven't been able to invent a birth control pill for men and that was the reason why one was never invented, but could it be that they could invent one if they wanted to, but they do not want to, in the name of sexism, if that is likely the case?
Condoms are the most effective form of male birth control. Pills have been tried but they resulted in cases of severe depression and rapid heart rate in some test subjects. During the study it was 96% effective and speed count did return to normal after injections stopped. Personally I prefer condoms. They don’t alter a person’s hormones, they don’t require a prescription nor a doctor to implant, they come in a variety of materials, and synthetic models with spermicidal lubricant have also been shown to be effective protection against spreading STDs including the HIV virus.
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Old 09-07-2021, 08:31 AM
 
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No she does not have a point. The thing is, birth control pills work by altering a woman's hormone cycles. Attempts have indeed been made to develop a male 'pill'. Not very successful though. Men and women just work differently.

I must say though, thinking of birth control as being sexist is a new one for me. Remember that the whole idea of birth control is preventing pregnancy in women. I suppose that is sexist in a way. Is that a bad thing?

Ah, I had momentarily forgotten - there is a male birth prevention. It's called a condom. They have been around for a very long time. The ancient Egyptians had them. Now those are sexist! They discriminate against men. Try that on her and see how it goes down.
Oh I see. I brought up the condom and asked her if they descriminate against men therefore, and she said that any guy can wear a piece of plastic, but the pill is much more invasive, and scientists were only willing to put the invasive birth control method on the women it seems.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Condoms are the most effective form of male birth control. Pills have been tried but they resulted in cases of severe depression and rapid heart rate in some test subjects. During the study it was 96% effective and speed count did return to normal after injections stopped. Personally I prefer condoms. They don’t alter a person’s hormones, they don’t require a prescription nor a doctor to implant, they come in a variety of materials, and synthetic models with spermicidal lubricant have also been shown to be effective protection against spreading STDs including the HIV virus.



Women can experience severe depression, blood clots, increased risk for heart attack and stroke, weight gain, and migraines as the result of the pill. That's why most women scoff at men not being offered their own pill because of reluctance to experience the side effects that women commonly experience.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:17 AM
 
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My gf says it's sexist in the sense that it, like many things, was pushed on women, by male scientists back when it came out, when they never bothered to invent a birth control pill for men as well. Even to this day there is no pill for men, because society expects the woman to be the fully responsible one.

Does she have a point there? I alwasy assumed maybe scientists haven't been able to invent a birth control pill for men and that was the reason why one was never invented, but could it be that they could invent one if they wanted to, but they do not want to, in the name of sexism, if that is likely the case?
Yes, it is absolutely a symptom of a medical system that caters to men. White men, specifically. There are tons of examples... how medicine dosages are determined, what lab results are considered "normal" etc.

There ARE male contraceptives available, but it turns out that guys can't handle the side effects, poor snowflakes. (And/or they continue to think that they aren't at all responsible for making children.) https://utswmed.org/medblog/pill-guy...-safety-tests/
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.8b06683

Just something to think about when your 20yo daughter has a stroke from the pill.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:21 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Well, if it weren’t for the fact that the baby (or embryo) is in the woman’s body, then your girlfriend may have a point but since IT IS in a woman’s body, then her point is clearly nonsense.

The idea of birth control is to not allow the embryo to develop, so giving the pill to the person where the embryo is, is not sexist, it is just common sense.
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Old 09-07-2021, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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I'm pretty sure researchers can come up with an oral contraceptive for men. But it'll be a hard sell because women can't trust men. Some unreliable guy forgets to take the pill and the woman gets pregnant. It gives all the control to men, who will decide whether or not the woman gets pregnant. Talk about being sexist!
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