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Old 09-08-2021, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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"If the goal is to prevent infection, the 95 percent vaccination rate on Cornell’s campus has not accomplished that."

Hmmmm...

https://www.thecollegefix.com/despit...ime-last-year/
All vaccines were developed, trialed and approved before the Delta variant emerged.

The Delta variant was first detected in India among its 1.4 billion unvaccinated people.
The Delta variant was a substantially more transmissible than SARS CoV-2. It was first detected in the US this past March. It is now the most dominate SARS virus in the world.

The unvaccinated are 8x more likely to develop serious Covid symptoms than the vaccinated. We know the majority being hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated.

The seasonal flu shot is reformulated each year based on projections of which influenza viruses dominate in the Southern Hemisphere. Occasionally, the shot is reformulated mid flu season.

We know the seasonal flu shot is less effective on older people and for this reason, seniors have the opportunity to receive a higher dose shot.

No vaccine or treatment is 100% effective or side effect free in all people, all the time.
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Old 09-08-2021, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Is the goal to prevent infection?

Or is the goal to minimize symptoms, thus lessening the impact to the health care system and hopefully preventing some loss of life?
Both.

The vaccine was developed, trialed and approved to target SARS -CoV-2. Viruses genetically mutate in every host. Most quickly die off. SARS- CoV-2, the Delta variant first emerged amongst India’s 1.4 billion unvaccinated population in December and rapidly spread world- wide.

It is known all 3 approved vaccines were less effective at preventing infection by the Delta variant while continuing to reduce serious Covid symptoms.
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Old 09-08-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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Because less social distancing and mask wearing in general.
Another person that didn't read the article they are arguing against:

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No variable changed: Cornell announced in July that it would still require all individuals, regardless of vaccination status, to wear a mask while inside. The same public health measures, often criticized as too strict, that were in place last year remain in place this year.
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Old 09-08-2021, 08:58 AM
 
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The "vaccines" DON'T WORK!!!!!

It seems all they're good for is DISABLING HUMAN IMMUNE SYSTEMS!!!
Exactly. I believe there is no such thing as a delta variant. Made up to explain the vaccine's failure and provide justification for forced vaccination.

They just don't work.
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:00 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Exactly. I believe there is no such thing as a delta variant. Made up to explain the vaccine's failure and provide justification for forced vaccination.

They just don't work.
I agree
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yet we have more cases in the hospital than last year when no one was vaccinated.
Israel has been giving boosters since July and are up to anyone 30+ and they have a huge surge of hospitalizations.

With so many vaccinated and so many with natural immunity we have MORE people catching covid than last year.

It can't be all due to the "unvaccinated" because last year all of us were "unvaccinated" and few had natural immunity.

And just looking at the numbers since January (start of vaccines) the more we vaccinated the higher the surges become.

Very odd indeed.
Israel is expected to present its findings to the FDA shortly. It has found THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SECOND DOSE WANES AFTER 5 MONTHS. Earlier this summer, Israel embarked on a campaign to administer booster shots to the population in the order of risk with older populations receiving the first boosters. This has expanded to all age 12 and beyond. Thus far 2.6 million out of a population of 9.3 million have received booster shots.

The majority of those hospitalized in Israel are older with other health challenges and no surprise, the unvaccinated.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ts-2021-09-05/
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:05 AM
 
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The vaxx compromises the body's immune system and allows Covid to infect the person like a Trojan Horse. But, if you've already had Covid and are unvaccinated, the body's immune system is ready to stop any repeat infection by exposure.
Stay unvaxxed, stay healthy people. This is finally being admitted to across the world.
Ivermectin still remains a go to silver bullet against Covid. Even the Vaxx companies are coming out with their own drug that mimics what Ivermectin does.
Plenty of people who had Covid before and are unvaccinated are getting relatively sick from the delta variant. I suspect natural immunity only works for a year or so then inevitable a version of the virus different enough will come around. Whether or not you can get sick enough to die or be hospitalized a second or third time, especially if you’re under age 50-60 is an answer I’m not sure we will know for awhile
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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Is the goal to prevent infection?

Or is the goal to minimize symptoms, thus lessening the impact to the health care system and hopefully preventing some loss of life?
Oh you, get out of here with that seemingly reasonable and accurate answer.
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Doesn't seem to be working out that way:

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows - Becker's Hospital Review

The majority of those ill enough to be hospitalized for COVID have already been fully vaccinated.
When vaccinated matters. Israel has determined the effectiveness of the second dose wanes after 5 months. The booster, 3rd shot, restores the original effectiveness.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ts-2021-09-05/

Unlike Israel, the US has no digitalized proof of vaccine. In early August, CDC estimated about 1 million people in the US had received a third dose because nothing prevents them from doing so.
I will likely do so later this month.
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Old 09-08-2021, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The vaxx compromises the body's immune system and allows Covid to infect the person like a Trojan Horse. But, if you've already had Covid and are unvaccinated, the body's immune system is ready to stop any repeat infection.
Your comments about the vax compromising the immune system is complete nonsense.

Trojan horse? The reason that vaxxed people don't show symptoms is because although they are infected by COVID, their immune system (thanks to the vax) is kicking COVID's a$$. The immune system (thanks to the Vax) does not allow COVID to get into the lower respiratory systems to set up shop and make people really sick.

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In other words, just like every other parts of your body, your immune system needs “exercise” too in order to keep in fit shape.
This is another half truth. Sure, if you get COVID your immune system "exercises" by providing a response. But the VAX causes the same thing to happen. The difference being that the vax sets you up to build antibodies against COVID via having the mRNA dictate that you build a harmless piece of the viral spiked protein. Thus your immune system gets "exercise" without the risk of getting sick from COVID. As a result, when your immune system sees real COVID it gets a jump start on countering it. Just like it would if you had actually had real COVID before.
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