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Old 09-13-2021, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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If their paycheck comes from taxpayer dollars they are federal employees.


You really don't see a problem with all these slimy loopholes?
The paycheck comes from the sale of stamps. That is why the service owes the United States money for 75 years into the future retirees for their medical insurance
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Old 09-15-2021, 04:26 AM
 
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For an initial post I understand it. Most postal workers in public view wear red, white and blue uniforms, "United States" is in their name and within the living memory of many the Postmaster General was a US cabinet office leading the Post Office Department.

It is the follow up "debates" where many refuse to accept that postal workers are not federal employees and continue down their path, I guess assuming fake news or at best just reading the OP that gets me.
"where many refuse to accept that postal workers are not federal employees"

I don't think anybody made that claim.
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Old 09-15-2021, 05:04 AM
 
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"where many refuse to accept that postal workers are not federal employees"

I don't think anybody made that claim.
I think you need to read the entire thread many do make that claim. The entire thesis statement is why are postal workers exempt when other government workers are not because of that basic lack of understanding
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:16 PM
 
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Why do people conveniently forget that black and Hispanic folks have low vaccination rates? You automatically go right, which is wrong.
The USPS has approximately 496,000 employees of which, 27% are black. Blacks in the US incidentally have the lowest vaccination rates at 26% being fully vaccinated.

Too hot of a potato to handle. If a mandate were levied upon this group to vax or be fired (and probably lose their pension potential) you can bet they'll be pushback. It would be the government telling over 100,000 working, career minded black Americans to 'do what we say or you won't be working much longer'.

The fact that the administration is picking winners and losers with mandates should make one suspicious enough to question the reasoning behind it. Hint: it's selective to 1) provide a general scare to the population of what might happen to them if they don't get an experimental injection and 2) to mitigate the higher probability of a instigating a full-scale National revolt.
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:22 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The USPS has approximately 496,000 employees of which, 27% are black. Blacks in the US incidentally have the lowest vaccination rates at 26% being fully vaccinated.

Too hot of a potato to handle. If a mandate were levied upon this group to vax or be fired (and probably lose their pension potential) you can bet they'll be pushback. It would be the government telling over 100,000 working, career minded black Americans to 'do what we say or you won't be working much longer'.

The fact that the administration is picking winners and losers with mandates should make one suspicious enough to question the reasoning behind it. Hint: it's selective to 1) provide a general scare to the population of what might happen to them if they don't get an experimental injection and 2) to mitigate the higher probability of a instigating a full-scale National revolt.

Can you give us some examples of other Executive Orders that did apply to the USPS and what mechanism the Biden administration used, specifically, to make this EO not apply to the USPS? Thanks.
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:45 PM
 
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Can you give us some examples of other Executive Orders that did apply to the USPS and what mechanism the Biden administration used, specifically, to make this EO not apply to the USPS? Thanks.
National days of mourning the service normally takes off. On the other hand they announced that the Juneteenth holiday law was passed to late so regular delivery and counter services remained open. With workers promised a day of administrative leave later.
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:28 PM
 
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Can you give us some examples of other Executive Orders that did apply to the USPS and what mechanism the Biden administration used, specifically, to make this EO not apply to the USPS? Thanks.
Yes I can but I wont. This is about twenty - four more words that I would normally formulate in response to an eternal whataboutism generator.

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Old 09-15-2021, 03:33 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Yes I can but I wont. This is about twenty -our more words that I would normally formulate in response to an eternal whataboutism generator.
The reporting I've read says that this EO cannot apply to the USPS. Is that false? I thought EOs didn't apply due to the whole "independent government agency" bit.

...Because the Postal Service has since 1971 been set up as an independent agency tasked with operating to resemble a private enterprise, it is often exempted from otherwise governmentwide provisions...

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits...orders/148949/
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:36 PM
 
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The paycheck comes from the sale of stamps. That is why the service owes the United States money for 75 years into the future retirees for their medical insurance

I was referring to congress critters and judge types
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:43 PM
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HOW?

Do you guys see your postman on a regular basis. I don't see them having contact with many people except in their facilities?

They do have a strong union and I suspect that's why up until this week the vaccine hasn't been mandated. But up until this week the vaccine wasn't mandated for many people.
I see my postman almost everyday but then I don't lock myself up in my house. I go to the PO about 3 days a week and have contact with all the postal clerks at the desk.

Members of Congress and their staff are also exempt but people who have had Covid still have to get vaccinated. I really quit trying to understand where your head is at.
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