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Old 09-11-2021, 05:37 AM
 
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I love it when big-govt liberals try to cite the New York Times opinion section as an authority on what the Constitution says.
Actually, if you check you would see that the Times had a news story, not an opinion. Anyway, is the legal analysis accurate or not? Deal with the issue.
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Old 09-11-2021, 05:45 AM
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Doesn’t matter if it’s constitutional, legal, illegal or whatever.
They’re already back dooring it by vax shaming businesses and other organizations into requiring it. You’re basically having your life and/or livelihood held hostage.
Back door communism.
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Old 09-11-2021, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Maybe so, maybe no. It hasn't gone to court yet.
No, that's not how it works.

The federal government is defined by the Constitution. It's not just a thing which exists, separate from the Constitution and just has to abide by it, "maybe so, maybe no."

The powers that the federal government has are enumerated. They're listed in the Constitution. If it's not listed in the Constitution, the 10th Amendment explicitly reserves those powers to the States, and to the People.

If you're going to say, "maybe so, maybe no," you MUST provide an accompanying argument to support your assertion. PERIOD. That is how it works. Otherwise, it's just a baseless claim, without evidence. Like Trump. Remember all those "baseless claims" he made "without evidence"? Yeah. That's you, right now.
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Old 09-11-2021, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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The truth is that Jacobson is outdated anyway. The same people that wrote that decision wrote later in favor of forced sterilization of poor people to avoid generations of imbeciles.
It also was rendered before agencies like the FDA and CDC existed, so even if it had been a federal case, the situation is different and a different decision would need to be made.
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Old 09-11-2021, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Umm, you might want to read my post. You know, the one you quoted?

(Hint: I've already answered both your points... and before you even wrote them)
I don't know why you haven't put that guy on ignore yet. He doesn't know anything, only seems to be here to insult (I could get a lot deeper into what I think is going on in his head, but can't here) and never, ever adds any value to a discussion. I've put a good number of unserious people on ignore lately, but that one may have done the most to clean up my feed. No joke.
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Old 09-11-2021, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Anything can be done which is not proscribed.
Isn't compatible with this:
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Further, the 10th amendment states that powers not provided to the federal government are reserved to the states.
You started your reply with "You misunderstand constitutional law." It's up to you now to explain how the federal government can both do whatever it wants, but is also restrained by the 10th Amendment.

The two quotes above represent ideas which are mutually exclusive. Pick one.
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Old 09-11-2021, 06:03 AM
 
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that's exactly what I fear, too
I wish I was living in Denmark these days
NO ONE is stopping you!
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Old 09-11-2021, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Central NJ and PA
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Life will be miserable for those that do not get vaxxed......fired from your job, health ins will sky rocket.....so you will be forced to vaxx otherwise, you will not be able to support yourself or family.
Self employed. Pay only for catastrophic insurance, out of pocket otherwise. I was forced into this position because the government took my job away in March, 2020. There’s nothing they can do to me short of jail or taking away my house.

The government should be very cautious about pushing those who don’t have much left to lose.
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Old 09-11-2021, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Reality is, if the Supreme Court overturns the vaccine mandate, Biden and Democrats go on record supporting the vaccine and the GOP goes on record opposing the vaccine.
I'm sure that's what The Narrativeâ„¢ will say, but that doesn't make it real.

I can't even imagine living in that fantasyland that you do. Everything's so confusing. Nothing makes sense. But as long as your friends agree, it's all good. What a bizzarro way to live.
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Old 09-11-2021, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I think if the government mandated this it would be unconstitutional, which is why they're leaving it up to OSHA.
I'm not sure I understand your point - OSHA is part of the federal government. If something is unconstitutional for the federal government to do, then it is unconstitutional for OSHA to do it.
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