If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain why that's a risk to you. (health care, economy)

[Jandrew5]

Originally Posted by snowmountains

Read your own words as an exercise, then.

Since you are having such a tough time, or are just purposely being dense:

Originally Posted by Jandrew5

Because vaccinated people can carry the virus. If you, unvaccinated, pass it onto me, I, showing no symptoms, can then pass it on to someone else who is immunocompromised.

^^ This is my quote where you say I said vaccinated people cant pass the virus. I do not see those words here.

Originally Posted by Jandrew5

Because vaccinated people can carry the virus.

^^ I said this because anti-vaxxers try to discredit the vaccine by bringing up the fact that vaccinated people have still been catching it. There's 400 threads in this forum about vaccinated people who have still gotten the virus.

The problem with this is: it has been common knowledge that you could still get the virus. The point of the vaccine is to protect you from the life-threatening conditions that are killing people. Anti-vaxxers ignore that, on purpose and try to use vaccinated people getting it as a "gotcha."

Originally Posted by Jandrew5

If you, unvaccinated, pass it onto me

^^ This is self exclamatory for anyone who reads English.

Originally Posted by Jandrew5

I, showing no symptoms

^^ Since I am vaccinated, and young, the possibility of me showing no symptoms is higher. I am focused on an unvaccinated person passing it on because: the OP asked about un-vaccinated people.

Let me repeat it for you: the OP asked about UN-vaccinated people. So that is why I spoke on UN-vaccinated people passing the virus to vaccinated people. Because that is what the OP asked about.

Originally Posted by Jandrew5

can then pass it on to someone else who is immunocompromised.

^^ This is the biggest problem with the virus with young people, like me. We will likely be fine. Fine as in we likely wont die, but again we have no idea what we can pass on to other folks.


Hopefully this helps. I'm not sure if you are being dense on purpose, I hope not. Not once in that quote did I SAY "vaccinated people cannot pass the virus." So either youre hallucinating and seeing things on your end or youre purposefully trying to invent a sentence to try to make an anti-vaxx point.

[bobbythegreat]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

short answer....

They know the vaccines aren't working

They do work in the sense that those who are vaccinated have almost no chance of dying from COVID-19....but they don't completely prevent them from getting sick at all.

Those who are over 50 who aren't vaccinated at this point are morons who are taking an unnecessary risk....but that's their right.

Of course extremist authoritarians don't believe in rights, so here we are

[swagger]

Originally Posted by gmagoo

Protecting U.S. citizens is the president`s job. He tried the carrot, time for the stick.

NO, THAT IS NOT HIS JOB.

His job is to protect our RIGHTS, not our lives.

Fundamental distinction.

"...to secure these RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men..."

RIGHTS, not lives.

[ncole1]

Originally Posted by Grlzrl

If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain how that's a threat to you.

Because people are still imposing restrictions on my behavior to protect you from me.

And because what would otherwise be harmless social events become a nightmarish ethical calculation full of more dilemmas than even the ancient Greek philosophers would have been able to handle.

[ncole1]

Originally Posted by swagger

NO, THAT IS NOT HIS JOB.

His job is to protect our RIGHTS, not our lives.

Fundamental distinction.

"...to secure these RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men..."

RIGHTS, not lives.

As though life is not a right?

[k350]

If the pro vax mandate crowd (for the lack of a better term, I am pro vax but anti mandate), I cannot take any of you seriously if you are not advocating for antibody tests as well, and providing documentation to those who were previously infected.

This lack of advocacy just shows me that it is not about the virus, but about some pseudo BS about getting your way no matter what, whether it is this or some other matter.

Come on, you all have zero care about the virus and its spread, lol. You all have to make up wild ass scenarios to even make a claim.

[snowmountains]

Originally Posted by Jandrew5

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This could help someone---plenty of free gray matter for the taking.

Heading to the 9/11 memorial.

(What a relief.)

[bobbythegreat]

Originally Posted by ncole1

As though life is not a right?

It is a right... in the sense that the state may not deprive you of it without due process....but everyone dies, cowardice and authoritarian boot licking can't change that.

[GeorgiaTransplant]

Originally Posted by Grlzrl

If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain how that's a threat to you.

My children are not old enough to be vaxxed. Despite repeated unconvincing claims to the contrary, evidence appears to show that the vaccine reduces the chance of getting COVID in the first place (as well as reducing severity of symptoms).

By contributing to the continued circulation of the virus-by fighting both vaccination and masking-you are putting my children in a position where they may get sick AND collectively contributing to saturation of treatment resources. That risk is more than you have a right to subject us to and is fundamentally greedy. It tells me everything I need to know-that some people can’t be bothered to contribute to society, that they are simply greedy takers.

Once they are vaxxed, I really am much less concerned about you getting COVID.

[k350]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTransplant

My children are not old enough to be vaxxed. Despite repeated unconvincing claims to the contrary, evidence appears to show that the vaccine reduces the chance of getting COVID in the first place (as well as reducing severity of symptoms).

By contributing to the continued circulation of the virus-by fighting both vaccination and masking-you are putting my children in a position where they may get sick AND collectively contributing to saturation of treatment resources. That risk is more than you have a right to subject us to and is fundamentally greedy. It tells me everything I need to know-that some people can’t be bothered to contribute to society, that they are simply greedy takers.

Once they are vaxxed, I really am much less concerned about you getting COVID.

Vaccinated people spread it also, lol. So your kids are not safe around vaccinated people as well.

People who had it also are immune to it, yet I fail to see you advocate for any testing and documentation of these people.