If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain why that's a risk to you. (borders, support)

[springfieldva]

Originally Posted by Dustyroad70

This is a joke about hospitals being overrun. They are being overrun on purpose. They get paid much more for a covid patient so, they are the priority to be hospitalized and they are are more likely to be called covid as we have seen when and if they die. Then they cynically go in front of the cameras with sob stories. I know that nurses are overwhelmed due to staffing shortages, mostly caused by moneysaving measures by administrators.

The hospitalized are overwhelmed by the ridiculous Covid protocols.

[hawkeye2009]

Originally Posted by Grlzrl

If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain how that's a threat to you.

If you are unvaccinated, you provide a human vector for the virus to survive.

Immunity from vaccinations eventually wanes, making those who actually want to be vaccinated if they are infected during "trough" periods between vaccinations.

[Jimmyp25]

Originally Posted by k350

Vaccinated are spreaders as well, lol.

So what you should do is you take some personal responsibility, and you keep your family members away from everyone.

The vaccinated are the ones spawning these variants. They should have never introduced a vaccine . It should have only been introduced if it completely gives up immunity, not 40%

[springfieldva]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

75% of Americans are overweight and 42.4% of Americans are obese , one of many risk factors for sever Covid. Other risk factors include but not limited, Diabetes, Cancer, heart disease, asthma, kidney disease and Downs Syndrome.

Strikes me as a tad foolish for anyone with one or more risk factors ( subject to MD approval, when warranted) to forego a vaccine.

Medical doctors aren't even the ones ordering the vaccine. Most people are getting the shot at their local grocery store. I don't know of anyone who actually was vaccinated by their physician. Do you?

[GeorgiaTransplant]

Originally Posted by 303Guy

I don't think this is correct.

Reduced a person’s risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19.
And therein lies the problem. So 95% of fully vaxxed people who get covid are asymptomatic. They are not uninfected. Just asymptomatic.

That's the fundamental issue. My reading of the current available evidence suggests it IS correct, but because reports are so focused on "you won't get AS sick" that's the only thing people are still focused on:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm

"But you can still get it so it's not a vaccine!" People who keep saying this both don't understand vaccines, nor do they understand basic probability.

You can still get polio, vaccinated or not, but nobody is arguing that the polio vaccine isn't largely effective. People took the polio vaccine and it's not really rampantly wild out there, and the chances of getting it even if exposed are really infinitesimal if you were vaccinated Most vaccines do not 100% prevent any chance of getting a disease, or sterilizing immunity. They just lower the chance of contracting the disease in the first place-exactly what COVID vaccine does. The fact it also reduces symptoms is a happy bonus.

[GeorgiaTransplant]

Originally Posted by Jimmyp25

The vaccinated are the ones spawning these variants. They should have never introduced a vaccine . It should have only been introduced if it completely gives up immunity, not 40%

Most vaccines don't provide 100% immunity.

[swagger]

Originally Posted by Mr78609

It is because if you are infected you are spreading it to me AND EVERY OTHER PERSON I PLAN TO BE AROUND.. Duh

That's always been the case with every contagion. As individuals living in a society, we've always assumed those risks without serious complaint or concern. If you participate in society by venturing out of your home and interacting with others, you've always accepted the risk that any one of them could infect you with something which could kill you. That's a fact.

And I'll point out the most important word in your entire comment - "IF". Assuming that the rest of your comment is valid, which it's actually not - there's no guarantee that you would catch it, and none that you would spread it - your concerns still rest on whether or not the person in front of you actually has the disease and is also contagious at the time they're in front of you. The likelihood of that is extremely low to almost nonexistent, if they're not presenting any symptoms.

The problem here is that the reaction people are having isn't commensurate with the risk. Something else is at play. Something deeper, and darker.

[swagger]

Originally Posted by JohnBoy64

The vaccines are not a silver bullet we hoped for but they literally are saving people's lives and this is all we got right now to flatten this damn curve.

Did you really just use "flatten the curve"? Wow... talk about tone deaf...

[eqttrdr]

The hardest part of "15 days to flatten the curve" is the first 500 days imo




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[Dustyroad70]

Originally Posted by JohnBoy64

Any sources to back that up?

Get your nose out of the tv or whatever progressive thing you go to and look for some other sources of information. I've already seen the sources and moved on. Not going to waste my time spoon feeding you. And you wouldn't believe it if you read it cause it doesn't fit with your beliefs. That's really great Johnyboy "any sources to back that up?" That's what everyone says on here. Look it up yourself. There is a lot of information out there if you really want to get out of the biden bubble or I more fitting the Bidumb bubble.