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Old 09-11-2021, 10:11 AM
 
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while it seems that both vaxed and unvaxed people can carry the virus and spread it...the evidence supports getting the vax lessons the severity of the sickness...
this may not be a direct effect on me, however it might overwhelm a hospitals ability to treat people and in an indirect way hurt others needing hospitalization
Yes, and a person might go to a bar and may buy a drink, and might decide to drive drunk. That person then might crash into someone head-on killing them instantly. That affects their family directly, yet are you out there pushing to ban alcohol? It doesn't matter how many this happens to as it seems the people pushing the vaccine think if one person is affected then that is 1 person too many, and I can guarantee you that there is more than 1 person a year killed by a drunk driver.

Of course, if hospitals aren't forced to fire Medical professional who use their medical knowledge and decision over their medical needs to decide to not get the COVID vaccine, we might not have as many issues with the hospitals.

You can play the "might" game all day long, but eventually, you could "might" yourself into living in a bunker 20 feet underground living off of Emergency supplies for the rest of your life.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:13 AM
 
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Because vaccinated people can carry the virus. If you, unvaccinated, pass it onto me, I, showing no symptoms, can then pass it on to someone else who is immunocompromised.

This has been beaten to death, but getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting the virus. It prevents you getting severe symptoms and having to be intubed, then likely dying. That is how a vaccine works, you were taught that in school, I would hope.

And that is the problem. People keep trying to use it as a "gotcha", "look, vaxxed people still getting sick!", yes...no one ever said they wouldnt? But your chance of death has gone down tremendously. This is why so many people who end up in the ICU are begging for the vaccine, just to be told its too late. It's why people who are on their death bed urge people to get it, they know what's coming and know it could have been prevented, but theyre out of time.

It's really sad, but also unphasing to see all this play out. It's so preventable. If you dont want to get the shot fine dont, but at least masking up will help keep everyone safe. Again, if you are sick, you will pass it to everyone.
This doesn’t make any sense. Vaccinated people can have the virus and can even catch covid from other vaccinated people so how do unvaccinated people raise your risk as a vaccinated person in any way?

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Old 09-11-2021, 10:13 AM
 
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Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination.

Because if you get infected and have to be hospitalized in the ICU, that is one less bed for people who may need it for other reasons.

Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection.
Lol and what do you think that virus is doing inside of you and all your friends were vaccinated? It’s doing the same thing virus as I’m done since the beginning of time. It’s working on a “work around“ and trust me when it does, because your immune system has been trained to only recognize a single spike protein on the virus outer shell and not the virus as a whole as those who have gotten over Covid naturally have immunity from the whole virus, you’re going to regret it. Why do you think hospitals in Israel are filling up with vaccinated people right now as we speak? they were ahead of everybody With vaccines. We’re not far behind. I can guarantee you, within the next year the hospitals are going to be filling up with vaccinated people.

Two weeks ago even the CEO of Pfizer, the active current CEO came out and said the vaccines will eventually fail. Because it doesn’t prevent infection. Those that are infected and vaccinated are going to create a drastic mutations.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:14 AM
 
Location: America's Kakistocracy
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I mean, this is the answer.

I have no idea why it needed to be explained but ok.

The ultimate "answer" is for anyone who is afraid of their own shadow to live inside a hazmat suit or "boy-in-the-bubble" ball.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The ultimate "answer" is for anyone who is afraid of their own shadow to live inside a hazmat suit or "boy-in-the-bubble" ball.
No.

The ultimate answer is upholding property rights.

But neither team is interested in that.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:16 AM
 
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No.

The ultimate answer is upholding property rights.

But neither team is interested in that.
Oh, I see. You mean like ownership of my own body?
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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This doesn’t any sense. Vaccinated people can have the virus and can even catch covid from other vaccinated people so how do unvaccinated people raise your risk as a vaccinated person in any way?
Unvaxxed carry more viral load.

Do you folks really not know this or are you so blinded by your political bias you refuse to acknowledge it?
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The hospitalization argument could also apply to vaccinated and unvaccinated people who are obese as well since that is the group most often hospitalized for Covid.
Let's not forget about old people.

The number one indicator of Covid-19 hospitalization and death is advanced age.

The number one indicator that an individual will recover from Covid-19 without complications is youth.

If young, otherwise healthy, adults feel the vaccine is not needed, that's their business.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Oh, I see. You mean like ownership of my own body?
Uh, yes.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination.

Because if you get infected and have to be hospitalized in the ICU, that is one less bed for people who may need it for other reasons.

Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection.



Because you do not have any mucosal antibodies after your vaccine and, as the result, you carry 253 times more virions in your nasal/throat cavity, than average unvaccinated person or one with natural immunity.


Because you, without knowing it, produce mutated virions that are now capable of bypassing immunity, produced in you by vector or MRn vaccine. As the result, those mutations become more infectious and deadly. Thank you.



Because you are a passive carrier, just like anyone else. Yes, because you are vaccinated - against alpha variant only, btw - you have no to very light symptoms that you disregard, while spreading aerosol infection just like anyone else. While those, who are unvaccinated, get sick and stay home, to get over it. And get lifetime immunity along the way.



You DO realize that only VERY SMALL percent of unvaccinated, that were infected, actually end in hospitals? VERY SMALL. So you argument about taking care away from others is bogus.



Add to that that you have little to none protection against variants, different from one, your vaccine was designed for. Variants, that mutated as their fight against vaccine result. So what you going to do now - booster every week? Wake up in the morning, go to CNN, figure, which variant was mutated overnight, get latest booster?
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