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Originally Posted by calgirlinnc
Because my health is not their responsibility.
And I would never encourage someone to do something for my benefit that might end up hurting them.
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Completely wrong. Using that logic we should not have speed limits, stop signs, or traffic signals. Freedom is not an unlimited concept. When your freedom impacts others it is the DUTY for government to step in. That is what a free country means. |
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09-13-2021, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabronie
The viral load expelled from people that have been vaccinated is measurably lower.
Why can't you recognize that fact?
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It’s not true. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...-unvaccinated/ |
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09-13-2021, 05:30 PM
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The Crucial Vaccine Benefit We’re Not Talking about Enough
The vaccines not only prevent people from getting sick; they also cut down on transmission by those who get infected after immunization
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...about-enough1/
Studies that claim they're similar by looking at only peak viral load get it wrong. The vaccinated recover much faster from an infection.
https://news.arizona.edu/story/covid...l-get-infected
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09-13-2021, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
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There are lots of scholarly articles which say the opposite. |
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09-13-2021, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
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The fallacy here is that they are looking at the viral load of vaccinated people who have breakthrough infections. That is a very small number.
Here is the real story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/07/b...ons-delta.html
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021...y=90&auto=webp
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021...y=90&auto=webp
"But even with Delta, the overall risks for the vaccinated remain extremely small. As Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California, San Francisco, wrote on Friday, “The messaging over the last month in the U.S. has basically served to terrify the vaccinated and make unvaccinated eligible adults doubt the effectiveness of the vaccines.” Neither of those views is warranted. "
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09-13-2021, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Enough_Already
There are lots of scholarly articles which say the opposite.
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How old are they? Here is the study that came out a few weeks ago. https://www.ndm.ox.ac.uk/files/coron...ve20210816.pdf |
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09-13-2021, 05:40 PM
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09-13-2021, 05:42 PM
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Location: In a George Strait Song
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Originally Posted by Enough_Already
Completely wrong. Using that logic we should not have speed limits, stop signs, or traffic signals. Freedom is not an unlimited concept. When your freedom impacts others it is the DUTY for government to step in. That is what a free country means.
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This has been discussed ad nauseum, but since you missed it, I’ll recap.
There are certain factors we all agree to in order to participate in society. Agreed upon road signals is one of them. You agree to abide by these rules when you voluntarily get your driver’s license. If you do not wish to follow road laws, you can choose not to drive.
This is what we need to do in order to have a civilization. Road rules don’t favor one driver over another; everyone benefits equally.
We do not benefit equally, however, if I ask you to compromise your health in order to protect me.. It then becomes morally repugnant for the government to step in, to favor me over you.
Moreover, equating road rules to forced injection of an untested substance is ridiculous. |
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09-13-2021, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Enough_Already
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Your articles are behind a paywall. |
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09-13-2021, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jabronie
The viral load expelled from people that have been vaccinated is measurably lower.
Why can't you recognize that fact?
The chances of having bigger complications are significantly lower, if vaccinated.
Why can't you recognize that fact?
The more this virus gets passed around by ignoring the above, increases the chances of it mutating and becoming more resistant to our current safety measures / vaccines. Which eventually leads to moving the goal posts to deal with it.
Why can't you recognize that fact?
For a vast majority of people, the vaccine is a huge boost to survivability, helps reduce the possibility to spread, and to help put this under control.
Why can't you recognize that fact?
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Originally Posted by HendrixFan
Where is the empirical data to support your silly assertions?
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