If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain why that's a risk to you. (states, rates)

[brennan2323]

To those that insist that the vaccine does not stop you from getting it Kudos to you. You have some understanding of how vaccines work at least. But if you are using that logic why get any vaccines at all? The vaccines do not 100% protect you from whatever that illness is. Chicken Pox.........can still get it, Polio....can still get it but doesn't cause polio paralysis and the list goes on. I just don't get the fight against the vaccine or other measures. If you're not comfortable with it that's fine, but then wear a mask when you're out. You won't do that though because that infringes on your personal freedoms, yet if you're going to that same store you're wearing pants and a shirt, or at least I hope so. So what's the difference? You don't know the long term side effects? Yet you'll take your daily acid reflux meds or use that baby powder no questions asked only to find out 20 years down the road it causes cancer or dementia or whatever else. Your arguments are entirely hypocritical.

You say most people don't die from the virus and that is very true so you're not getting the vaccine. But most people don't die from Chicken pox, yet you get your kids the vaccines for it. Why? Honestly at this point I say if you don't want to get vaccinated then let the health insurers surcharge the crap out of your premiums. See how quickly those people get vaccinated then. The same people that will whine and moan about supporting those lazy people on welfare ..... guess what I don't want to subsidize your health care with my premium dollars because you chose not to get a vaccine and rack up a $100,000 hospital bill in the process.

You choosing not to get the vaccine affects everyone. Hospitals are turning away elective surgeries because they are at capacity, turning away other cases in need of an icu bed because they are full with covid patients. It affects everyone. It is a snowball effect. Yet, somehow I have to believe that if Trump were still President and he said, "Believe me, this vaccine, and I've been told that it's the best vaccine they've ever seen, it's beautiful......go get the vaccine." we wouldn't be in this situation right now.

[snowmountains]

Geert Vanden Bossche

(1/7) This time, in a nutshell: All unvaccinated people who’re susceptible to C-19 disease (because of re-exposure shortly after primary infection due to high infectious pressure, or if otherwise immune suppressed, or if immunosenescent) and all vaccinees contribute to

(2/7) the ongoing explosive expansion of more infectious and increasingly anti-spike-Ab-resistant immune escape variants. However, ALL of the unvaccinated but not vaccinated (= still predominantly asymptomatically infected) contribute to herd immunity,

(3/7) either by virtue of naturally acquired immunity (i.e., those who were susceptible and recovered from C-19 disease) or by preventing or abrogating infection by ANY Sars-CoV-2 variant (i.e., all the unvaccinated who’re not susceptible to C-19 disease


(4/7) for lack of immune suppression of their multispecific innate immune effectors). We, therefore, have to rely on the unvaccinated to prevent dominant, highly infectious variants from rapidly evolving towards full resistance to the vaccines.

(5/7) We need, therefore, more unvaccinated people to protect the vaccinees. Hence, it’s imperative that we make love (=> baby boom to replenish reservoir of unvaccinated!) and no war (=> STOP mass vaccination).

(6/7) When presenting with first signs & symptoms, ALL MUST have free access to immune-strengthening supplements (mostly sufficient for the young & previously healthy) and early multidrug treatment (mostly required for the vulnerable & elderly).

(7/7) We're in this TOGETHER and, once again, I am BEGGING the WHO to give me a chance to explain all of the above.

[MissTerri]

Originally Posted by mike1003

If ya wanna learn ya gotta pay!

For the nyt? No thanks. If the info is valid there will be a study that can be shared.

[Wapasha]

Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress

What people seem to forget (or is it willful ignorance) is that we have cures now that we didn't have before. No one should be dying. Yet doctors are still telling patients to go home and wait until they can't breathe. They should be giving them Ivermectin and Zelenko Protocol vitamins. If after three or four days they get worse, then go to the hospital. No need to clog up hospitals but politically for the Left more deaths are great. What an evil bunch.

Maybe the doctors are trying to play it safe, and not wishing to get caught up in potential lawsuits? It might be up to the patients to ask the doctor for therapeutics and prophylaxis.

[lauradrops]

Originally Posted by snowmountains

Geert Vanden Bossche

Good source, LOL

https://medika.life/fact-checking-ge...isinformation/

[Loveshiscountry]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

And what if everyone is vaxxed to begin with?

What if a ton of Americans were not overweight and at risk because they didn't take care of themselves?

[snowmountains]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

I can get the virus from you, become a silent career and could pass it to my under age kids at home who are unvaxxed.

And you just qualified for the Darwinism award.

You can get the virus from vaxxed people esp. since they are asymptomatic. You can then pass it to people who are vaxxed, not just your unvaxxed kids.

Originally Posted by lauradrops

Good source, LOL

https://medika.life/fact-checking-ge...isinformation/

Impressive source from world's no. 1 virologist

[tamajane]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

You are comparing apples and oranges. Your example is an individual choice that only affects the individual. The choice or "freedom" of people to not get the vaccine actually hurts all of society. That's why you are not free to yell fire in a crowded theater.

We could also start ordering people to change other behaviors which cause them to need hospitalization. Those patients decrease then there should be enough room for everyone. Of course these other behaviors affect society. But we allow for freedom of choice to eat, smoke, take drugs, speed, in some states you don't have to wear a seatbelt, etc.

I see very dangerous traffic violations happening in front of police and they don't do a thing, and they will be doing less as society continues in its apathy to decline to third world status. We just had a single car crash that wiped out a family, because of speed and inattention - preventable. EMS keep Narcaning the same addicts who got that way because of big Pharma opiates, and they never get arrested or put into rehab and the billionaire Oxycontin pushers got away with it.

And you want to tell everyone to get stabbed with some new kind of mrna injection because social trust and responsibility.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by Jabronie

The viral load expelled from people that have been vaccinated is measurably lower.

Why can't you recognize that fact?

This is not 100% fact, and you putting it forward as such and doubling down on it is just as harmful as the other people with their Illuminati theories.



Yes, there is evidence that, especially with Delta, the viral loads are similar. Though, I believe, it is for a shorter period of time. And then there's the advantages that infection is generally not serious, etc, etc.. But.. Presenting viral load as fact is incorrect.

Originally Posted by PilgrimsProgress

What people seem to forget (or is it willful ignorance) is that we have cures now that we didn't have before. No one should be dying. Yet doctors are still telling patients to go home and wait until they can't breathe. They should be giving them Ivermectin and Zelenko Protocol vitamins. If after three or four days they get worse, then go to the hospital. No need to clog up hospitals but politically for the Left more deaths are great. What an evil bunch.

Yeah.. ask Andy Kaufman how his lung cancer 'cure' went. https://www.esquiremag.ph/life/healt...-20190917-lfrm


Now, that being said.. Monoclonal antibodies are a legit therapy.. Not necessarily a cure, but they are proven to work. So, there certainly are better therapies available now than there were at the start.

Ivermectin is just today's chloroquine.

[LearnMe]

Originally Posted by brennan2323

Why do people even start these threads? The anti vaxxers have their belief, whether political or not and the vaxxers have theirs. No word twisting by either side is going to change anyone's mind so really what is the point.

I ask this question pretty much every day when I browse this forum...

Of course the topic doesn't matter either. If only people spent less time in their own "echo chambers" and spent more time paying close attention to this dynamic that keeps people from considering these topics objectively...

Right. Who am I kidding?

About the only thing these threads prove is that a whole lot of people have a whole lot of time to waste. I'm retired too. Glad I no longer have to worry about changing the minds of people who can't help but get in the way of progress...