If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain why that's a risk to you. (Georgia, percent)

[Nickchick]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTransplant

Paranoia being stated as fact. At least you’re confidently incorrect. Occam’s razor tells me it’s almost certainly about public health and safety, but occasionally people have a hard time grasping the concept of altruism.

(Nothing is really 100 percent fact because nothing in life is guaranteed let's get that out of the way first but for argument purposes, it would be hard to argue that it isn't true so yes I'm confident in my assertion)

You're lucky if you don't see it. You probably have a cushy 100k+ job.
If that was the case I would have never had to quit my job without having anything lined up. Unless I am not included in the public but considering companies are short staffed due to people being fed up, it stands to reason that I'm not at all alone.
Also if health was a concern then why has dental care always been treated as cosmetics?
Yes occasionally people have a hard time grasping the concept of something that has almost never been shown to them. I guess we should all go around flashing our SSN because people won't use that against us. People don't believe in ghosts because they've never seen one and somehow that's okay but questioning things in this capitalistic society is not.

Originally Posted by Westerner92

Right? Both altruism and Occam's Razor are concepts that would go over most of these posters' heads unfortunately.

I could maybe see where you're coming from with Occam's Razor (although I could easily say you or the person you're replying to is guilty of the same) but you must be joking when you included altruism. So trying to put me back in a job that made me want to off myself now that the vaccines are widely available is altruism now? Yup I'm ungrateful for not wanting to partake in making myself feel more worthless to make somebody else rich.

[Toyman at Jewel Lake]

Originally Posted by Jandrew5

Because vaccinated people can carry the virus. If you, unvaccinated, pass it onto me, I, showing no symptoms, can then pass it on to someone else who is immunocompromised.

This has been beaten to death, but getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting the virus. It prevents you getting severe symptoms and having to be intubed, then likely dying. That is how a vaccine works, you were taught that in school, I would hope.

And that is the problem. People keep trying to use it as a "gotcha", "look, vaxxed people still getting sick!", yes...no one ever said they wouldnt? But your chance of death has gone down tremendously. This is why so many people who end up in the ICU are begging for the vaccine, just to be told its too late. It's why people who are on their death bed urge people to get it, they know what's coming and know it could have been prevented, but theyre out of time.

It's really sad, but also unphasing to see all this play out. It's so preventable. If you dont want to get the shot fine dont, but at least masking up will help keep everyone safe. Again, if you are sick, you will pass it to everyone.

Really? Is that how the smallpox vaccine worked-you still got smallpox, but it didn't kill you, and is still circulating around the globe in the same numbers as previously? How about Polio? I don't recall anyone having a "mild" case of that lately.

[LearnMe]

Originally Posted by old_cold

You have a history of telling how useless it is for you being on city Data but keep coming on C_D to tell us how useless it is.

I don't come here because I think the time I spend here is productive...

Though I do like to share thoughts that might make a positive difference to someone, I don't have any false expectations along those lines. For me it's more about entertainment. I also enjoy sharing a little humor along the way when the opportunity presents itself. Sometimes the comments are interesting. Sometimes thought-provoking. Something like watching a movie even though I don't think my watching the movie is altogether productive.

My point about the pointlessness of this forum has to do with the dynamic that keeps us from changing our mind about the topics of these threads. This is of some interest to me and perhaps others, even if the exchange of opinion in this forum is the waste of time it tends to be.

Fair?

Thanks for your comment about mine BTW. For reading it. Much of the time I'm not sure people even read other's comments like I do. Almost seems like all they do is post their opinion and don't bother to consider others...

[jcp123]

Vaccinated is the proper term, not “vaxxed”. I’ll be honest, I’m not sure why “vax” and it’s derivatives irk me so much.

Anyhow...I probably don’t need to explain this again, but since this is such a long thread, evidently I do need to explain this again.

People who aren’t vaccinated present a more fertile host to the virus than ones who aren’t. With more fertile hosts, the virus has more “labs” to experiment with, as it were, or to mutate and become variants like Delta. Even though vaccines are not 100% effective, they are effective at tamping infection rates down enough to help prevent the emergence of new variants which can threaten even the vaccinated folks.

That in a nutshell is the threat that unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated ones. That’s not political and this question doesn’t belong in the politics forum, IMHO, because this is a question whose answers can’t depend on politics if anybody genuinely wants to get out of this kerfuffle. Virus particles certainly aren’t going to stop and check your party affiliation.

[toodie]

Originally Posted by jcp123

Vaccinated is the proper term, not “vaxxed”. I’ll be honest, I’m not sure why “vax” and it’s derivatives irk me so much.

Anyhow...I probably don’t need to explain this again, but since this is such a long thread, evidently I do need to explain this again.

People who aren’t vaccinated present a more fertile host to the virus than ones who aren’t. With more fertile hosts, the virus has more “labs” to experiment with, as it were, or to mutate and become variants like Delta. Even though vaccines are not 100% effective, they are effective at tamping infection rates down enough to help prevent the emergence of new variants which can threaten even the vaccinated folks.

That in a nutshell is the threat that unvaccinated people pose to vaccinated ones. That’s not political and this question doesn’t belong in the politics forum, IMHO, because this is a question whose answers can’t depend on politics if anybody genuinely wants to get out of this kerfuffle. Virus particles certainly aren’t going to stop and check your party affiliation.

Nope.
Unvaccinated people are not "a more fertile host to the virus than ones who aren't" vaccinated.

Vaccinated and unvaccinated people carry the same viral load.
Vaccines precipitate mutations because the virus is forced to mutate.

Vaccinated people are spreading covid and are hosts for mutations.

[jcp123]

Originally Posted by toodie

Nope.
Unvaccinated people are not "a more fertile host to the virus than ones who aren't" vaccinated.

Vaccinated and unvaccinated people carry the same viral load.
Vaccines precipitate mutations because the virus is forced to mutate.

Vaccinated people are spreading covid and are hosts for mutations.

That makes some but not complete sense.

If you’re vaccinated, you’re more likely to fight it off before mutation. That means less chances for a mutation to present itself. Where you’re right is that any mutation which can overcome the protection of a vaccine is going to be a real problem, but that’s a bridge to cross when you come to it. If what you say were true, we’d also be ravaged by fresh strains of polio, rubella, etc., which we are almost universally vaccinated against. So far, not enough folks have gotten their jabs, so it’s easy for mutations to come around and hurt the ones who have also been vaccinated.

That is not, by the way, a repudiation of the take rate for vaccines here in the US, which is appalling given their availability and the fact that they’re free at point of use. There isn’t enough to go around globally, so at this point I would still take the position that unvaccinated people pose a risk to vaccinated ones, even if our take rate were super high.

[toodie]

Originally Posted by jcp123

That makes some but not complete sense.

If you’re vaccinated, you’re more likely to fight it off before mutation. That means less chances for a mutation to present itself. Where you’re right is that any mutation which can overcome the protection of a vaccine is going to be a real problem, but that’s a bridge to cross when you come to it. If what you say were true, we’d also be ravaged by fresh strains of polio, rubella, etc., which we are almost universally vaccinated against. So far, not enough folks have gotten their jabs, so it’s easy for mutations to come around and hurt the ones who have also been vaccinated.

That is not, by the way, a repudiation of the take rate for vaccines here in the US, which is appalling given their availability and the fact that they’re free at point of use. There isn’t enough to go around globally, so at this point I would still take the position that unvaccinated people pose a risk to vaccinated ones, even if our take rate were super high.

This virus infects animals, unlike polio smallpox and rubella, so no comparison there is sensible. This virus is not going to be controlled by a vaccinated population. If every person on the planet were vaccinated, it would still spread and mutate. A vaccinated person can serve as a host just as easily as an unvaccinated person. Some unvaccinated people fight off the virus more efficiently than some vaccinated people.
With time, the mutations will, and are now, becoming less virulent and less deadly.


https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/05...onavirus-15132

[YourWakeUpCall]

If I drive drunk and you don't, how am I a threat to to you? The answer to this question also answers the question posed by the thread title.

[jcp123]

Originally Posted by toodie

This virus infects animals, unlike polio smallpox and rubella, so no comparison there is sensible. This virus is not going to be controlled by a vaccinated population. If every person on the planet were vaccinated, it would still spread and mutate. A vaccinated person can serve as a host just as easily as an unvaccinated person. Some unvaccinated people fight off the virus more efficiently than some vaccinated people.
With time, the mutations will, and are now, becoming less virulent and less deadly.


https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/05...onavirus-15132

But you don’t think that process would still be slowed? I can’t speak to the ability of animals to contract it from us and carry it, but that’s no reason to not throw as many roadblocks in front of it as we can. Just because something isn’t the perfect solution, doesn’t mean it’s not a solution.

[303Guy]

Originally Posted by YourWakeUpCall

If I drive drunk and you don't, how am I a threat to to you? The answer to this question also answers the question posed by the thread title.

The other way of looking at is if you have a beer and I don't, how am I a threat to you? It goes around both ways.

Sometimes the vax does make a person 'intoxicated'. Dizziness, unstable on the feet, difficulty with concentration, making mistakes while driving....

So in that regard, having the vax is like having a beer or two (or three). Although that after effect is not that common. The worst part is that one isn't aware of just how badly the vax has affect you and you go out driving and wonder why you are making so many mistakes! Ask me how I know. I only drove that once, turned around and went home. This carried on for nearly two months! Two months that I wasn't able to work.

So my having the vax was a threat to me! And perhaps some unlucky person who might have met up with me on the road. No-one did. It was a quiet road. The second jab had no effect so that' done for me.