If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain why that's a risk to you. (cost, party)

[GeorgiaTransplant]

Originally Posted by Williepaws

and the loved ones of the people who had severe reactions/died from these vaccines are fed up with people like you who believe that anyone with any other condition or any reaction doesnt count for anything in your nasty universe. I'm fed up with your nasty comments about other peoples conditions and medical history. You can Keep your crappy vaccine!

Here you go. Some actual facts from the CDC about adverse reactions. I realize it's not Youtube and thus you'll have some issues with it, but I really don't care:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Using the word 'nasty' is, well, poor debating technique. You don't have to like the vaccine, but perhaps the way to say it is something like 'I choose not to take it because I have concerns', followed by a hearty 'but I'm masking and social distancing so I'm not a contributor to the pandemic!'

Show me some facts or a credible source that there are significant severe reactions and deaths and not a statistically small number of outliers. Gateway Pundit, Epoch Times, individual anecdotes, and the like are not credible, by the way.

[GeorgiaTransplant]

Originally Posted by Nickchick

(Nothing is really 100 percent fact because nothing in life is guaranteed let's get that out of the way first but for argument purposes, it would be hard to argue that it isn't true so yes I'm confident in my assertion)

You're lucky if you don't see it. You probably have a cushy 100k+ job.
If that was the case I would have never had to quit my job without having anything lined up. Unless I am not included in the public but considering companies are short staffed due to people being fed up, it stands to reason that I'm not at all alone.

The assertion I argued against was:

Originally Posted by Nickchick

Are you aware that the vaccine is also about greed? They used it as an excuse to resume the same old song and dance we've had for many years.

Your dislike of your current job situation doesn't really mean the vaccine is about greed. That is one of the weirdest lines of reasoning I have heard in awhile.

[ResistTheReset]

Originally Posted by fishbrains

Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination.

Because if you get infected and have to be hospitalized in the ICU, that is one less bed for people who may need it for other reasons.

Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection.

So I see this thread is 45 pages, and I just got here. Were any of these points proven during this thread?

[GeorgiaTransplant]

Originally Posted by ResistTheReset

So I see this thread is 45 pages, and I just got here. Were any of these points proven during this thread?

Is the sun hot? Is the sea deep? Assertions that are clearly basic probably don’t need to be proven, they are what you base more elaborate logical arguments on because they would be silly to argue, and I would suggest those 3 you questioned fall into that category.

[ResistTheReset]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTransplant

Is the sun hot? Is the sea deep? Assertions that are clearly basic probably don’t need to be proven, they are what you base more elaborate logical arguments on because they would be silly to argue, and I would suggest those 3 you questioned fall into that category.

"Well it's obvious!" is not good enough. That is subjective and just an opinion. The question is whether these things are happening a lot more in the unvaccinated vs the vaccinated (we know #2 is, but what about #1 and #3?) But the same can be said of any obese person or junkie or alcoholic, regarding #2.

We need objective data to prove those critical points, because policy decisions are being made that impact people's lives, based on these assumptions.

In 45 pages of this thread, no such objective proof has been submitted? Lets break this down:

"Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination."

Has it been proven that this is much more the case with the unvaccinated, than the vaccinated?

"Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection."

Has it been proven that this is much more the case with the unvaccinated, than the vaccinated?

[GeorgiaTransplant]

Originally Posted by ResistTheReset

"Well it's obvious!" is not good enough. That is subjective and just an opinion. The question is whether these things are happening a lot more in the unvaccinated vs the vaccinated (we know #2 is, but what about #1 and #3?) But the same can be said of any obese person or junkie or alcoholic, regarding #2.

We need objective data to prove those critical points, because policy decisions are being made that impact people's lives, based on these assumptions.

In 45 pages of this thread, no such objective proof has been submitted? Lets break this down:

"Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination."

Has it been proven that this is much more the case with the unvaccinated, than the vaccinated?

"Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection."

Has it been proven that this is much more the case with the unvaccinated, than the vaccinated?

Those are different questions than what you poo pooed. Now you’re introducing vaccinated vs unvaccinated as samples, making them valid research questions.

[mustangman66]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaTransplant

Here you go. Some actual facts from the CDC about adverse reactions. I realize it's not Youtube and thus you'll have some issues with it, but I really don't care:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

Using the word 'nasty' is, well, poor debating technique. You don't have to like the vaccine, but perhaps the way to say it is something like 'I choose not to take it because I have concerns', followed by a hearty 'but I'm masking and social distancing so I'm not a contributor to the pandemic!'

Show me some facts or a credible source that there are significant severe reactions and deaths and not a statistically small number of outliers. Gateway Pundit, Epoch Times, individual anecdotes, and the like are not credible, by the way.

The problem I find on this forum is that personal experiences dont matter because everyone wants facts from credible sources. When one does provide a source, unless it matches their belief, its never credible. I also find it ironic that my interpretation of the statistics along with my personal experiences, they dont seem to match the media or many of the "credible" sources that everyone is relying on for info. If I threw my personal experiences out the window and relied on the media to interpret the statistics for me, I would be vaccinated and hiding in my basement alone with a mask on. I have relatives that still wont leave the house, have been vaccinated, awaiting a booster shots and think the world is crumbling around them. Its very sad. Meanwhile, there is pretty much nothing different about my life than it was 3 years ago because not only have a stopped watching the news but I stopped listening to peoples opinions and suggestions and move on with my life.

If one chooses not to get vaccinated that is their body their choice. I just hope for everyone that was vaccinated (not in a high risk category), that in 10 years from now you wont see any side effects that are unknown at this time.

[Salty Water]

Originally Posted by Grlzrl

If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain how that's a threat to you.

Because unvaxed people help the disease perpetuate itself among the population.



What hurts America, hurts me.

[roodd279]

What hurts America, hurts me. Excellent sentiment.

I think some anti-vax folks are - by definition - and admission - thinking ONLY of themselves, as framed in the OP, using words like "I AM NOT" and "THREAT TO YOU." This is shortsighted.


I do not care that you are not vaccinated. I don't. I care that you AND 100 million other people are not.


You are not (or unlikely to be) a threat to me. You're not. It's true. But you (and 100 million other people) are indeed a threat to lots and lots of other people.


So I'm bothered by your non-vaccination in the same way it would bother me if you let your 12 year kid smoke or drink, or if you didn't use child-seats in your car for a newborn. I'm not "Threatened" - I'm just annoyed at your lack of concern for ALL other people, not just me.



But - some of you other folks - if you are vaccinated, you really should not feel threatened. Lots and lots of bugs are more deadly to you than COVID, and more likely to find you now, too. This is not about you - personally - it's about hundreds of thousands of people sick all at once. That's it. If we get sick one at a time - no one cares. No one. Plenty of people get sick every day from all sorts of things. So - vaccinated people - do not worry - this is, literally, as good as it gets for you the rest of your life. You might as well go live it.

[rural & red]

So it's not known whether it's good for us individually, in the long-term, but somehow it's a known good for us as a whole?

Something doesn't add up.

Aren't the unvaccinated technically control groups for the sake of science?