If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain why that's a risk to you. (Iraq, interviews)

[ncole1]

Originally Posted by MissTerri

Vermont is the most highly vaccinated state in the country and is currently experiencing a covid surge.

More cherry picking. The overall pattern is still that states with a higher percent vaccination are doing better. This is no different than the climate change deniers pointing to a couple of somewhat cooler years and then saying it's all a hoax, despite the overall trend being obviously up.

I get the argument that vaccines should not be mandated, but distorting the science? I think you can do better.

[Williepaws]

Originally Posted by ncole1

More cherry picking. The overall pattern is still that states with a higher percent vaccination are doing better. This is no different than the climate change deniers pointing to a couple of somewhat cooler years and then saying it's all a hoax, despite the overall trend being obviously up.

I get the argument that vaccines should not be mandated, but distorting the science? I think you can do better.

I think you have your head stuck in the sand!

[sholomar]

Originally Posted by albert648

The government is causing issues with hospital capacity. They had 18 months to provision more of it.

To give them credit they don't exactly have the manpower to mobilize new ICU wards....they can barely staff what they have and with travel nurses getting 3x the pay and the vaccine mandates, more are quitting.

[Jstarling]

Originally Posted by albert648

The government is causing issues with hospital capacity. They had 18 months to provision more of it.

Try training a nurse or respiratory therapist in nine months.

[mkpunk]

Originally Posted by albert648

The government is causing issues with hospital capacity. They had 18 months to provision more of it.

How is that government's fault? I mean especially when COVID hits a number of states at the same time. A number aren't following mask guidance or worse, blocking them from being used in schools or even worse, have low vaccination rates. Look at Florida and Texas as well as Alabama. For some time, Alabama was maxed out and these states at the time the Delta wave hit, had low vaccination rates as compared to other states. I'm sorry but "preparing for 18 months" was defeated by idiots who didn't want to get vaccinated following psuedo-science, politics and conspiracy theory. Even with the best planning...

[ResistTheReset]

"Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination."

The inherent implication in this statement is that it's far more likely for an unvaccinated person to cause a viral mutation, than for a vaccinated person to cause a viral mutation. But 51 pages in, and no hard data to prove this. So far, this is an unsubstantiated assumption.

"Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection."

The inherent implication in this statement is that an unvaccinated person is far more likely to be able to transmit a breakthrough infection, than a vaccinated person is. In other words, the inherent assumption is that the degree of transmissibility from an unvaccinated person is much higher than it is from a vaccinated person. But 51 pages in, and no hard data to prove this. So far, this is an unsubstantiated assumption.

The truth is that every person, vaccinated or not, is a potential incubator. The virus has an opportunity to mutate every time it encounters an immune system. But it appears that either the data to answer these questions is lacking, or is not yet discovered by this thread.

[albert648]

Originally Posted by mkpunk

How is that government's fault? I mean especially when COVID hits a number of states at the same time. A number aren't following mask guidance or worse, blocking them from being used in schools or even worse, have low vaccination rates. Look at Florida and Texas as well as Alabama. For some time, Alabama was maxed out and these states at the time the Delta wave hit, had low vaccination rates as compared to other states. I'm sorry but "preparing for 18 months" was defeated by idiots who didn't want to get vaccinated following psuedo-science, politics and conspiracy theory. Even with the best planning...

If the Feds were expecting 100% compliance with their guidance, they all need to be fired. The whole lot of 'em. Trump deployed a hospital ship to NYC when the virus peaked there. There are resources at the government's disposal that should have been deployed, or the Feds should have washed their hands of covid response entirely and said 'There's nothing further I can do'. Do what needs to be done, or get out of the way.

[MissTerri]

Originally Posted by ncole1

More cherry picking. The overall pattern is still that states with a higher percent vaccination are doing better. This is no different than the climate change deniers pointing to a couple of somewhat cooler years and then saying it's all a hoax, despite the overall trend being obviously up.

I get the argument that vaccines should not be mandated, but distorting the science? I think you can do better.

Seasonality is what we are most likely seeing. I think you should be careful in cherry picking and distorting the science. Wait a few months and see what happens in the higher vaccinated states.

Israel’s surge is worse than ever after issuing boosters.

[albert648]

Originally Posted by Jstarling

Try training a nurse or respiratory therapist in nine months.

You can import them overnight on emergency visas. The going rate for a nurse or respiratory therapist in countries like South Korea is a third of what it is in the US. Even if you pay them half the US going rate, you'll get a plane load in about 2 days.

They did SFA about the healthcare worker shortage that's been around for over a decade. They made their bed, they lie in it.

[albert648]

Originally Posted by sholomar

To give them credit they don't exactly have the manpower to mobilize new ICU wards....they can barely staff what they have and with travel nurses getting 3x the pay and the vaccine mandates, more are quitting.

Maybe the vaccine mandates should be rolled back then. I'd rather have medical care from an unvaccinated doctor than no medical care at all. That should be at the patient (customer)'s sole discretion.