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Old 09-11-2021, 10:36 AM
 
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Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination.

Because if you get infected and have to be hospitalized in the ICU, that is one less bed for people who may need it for other reasons.

Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection.
This is the only one of your arguments that has any merit in the slightest.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Do you refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of the world population hasn't been affected by this? Both before and after the vaccine? Political bias doesn't have a single damn thing to do with THAT.

I took the the shot(s) because my spouse with multiple risk factors hounded me to do it. I probably wouldn't have otherwise. And that's not because I might lean heavily conservative... it's because while it's certainly a 'real' thing, and many, many people have died, the only thing this vaccine(s) has been proven to do is lessen the severity. Period.
100%

My brother already had covid (no symptoms). He took the vaccination to protect my high risk sister in law and one child from her first marriage. That teen is also high risk.

There is a study suggests that for people who have had covid, just one dose of the vaccine is enough to turbocharge their antibodies and destroy the coronavirus — and even some more infectious variants. So I don't see why everybody has to follow the same rule.

This said, I think SOME people from both groups are utterly annoying. lol Most unvaccinated people are careful and they take the virus seriously, I don't have any problems with them. SOME fully vaccinated act like they just did the humankind a huge favor, yet, they spread the virus without knowing it.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I stand corrected. I hadn’t seen that study. Thanks.

However the baseline logic remains: the unvaxxed have a higher likelihood of catching it in the first place before we get to viral loads.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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This said, I think SOME people from both groups are utterly annoying. lol
I think ALL people from both groups are utterly annoying.

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Old 09-11-2021, 10:46 AM
 
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It's not. But please wear a mask.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:47 AM
 
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Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination.
LOL, blaming others for the ineffectiveness of your so called "vaccine".

And btw, the vaccinated are incubators for viral mutations.

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Because if you get infected and have to be hospitalized in the ICU, that is one less bed for people who may need it for other reasons.
You mean there would be one less bed for the vaccinated people who are infected?

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Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection.
And you are not afraid of a fellow vaccinated person come into proximity with you who may be carrying and passing the virus?
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Because vaccinated people can carry the virus. If you, unvaccinated, pass it onto me, I, showing no symptoms, can then pass it on to someone else who is immunocompromised.

This has been beaten to death, but getting vaccinated does not prevent you from getting the virus. It prevents you getting severe symptoms and having to be intubed, then likely dying. That is how a vaccine works, you were taught that in school, I would hope.
It has been beaten to death, despite that you wrong and providing incorrect information.

Being vaccinated does prevent you from getting the virus, in the same way as any other vaccine prevents infection. Your body is primed for an immune response, and if you inhale viral particles, your body fights them off, preventing viral reproduction.

That means you are prevented from getting the virus.

Yes, there are breakthrough cases, and that is one reason, which I already provided, for all people to get vaccinated.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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LOL, blaming others for the ineffectiveness of your so called "vaccine".
I am vaccinated and agree the government doesn’t want to admit that the vaccines are not preventing infection and therefore are not protecting against mutation.
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:49 AM
 
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I stand corrected. I hadn’t seen that study. Thanks.

However the baseline logic remains: the unvaxxed have a higher likelihood of catching it in the first place before we get to viral loads.


We really don’t know much in terms of unvaccinated people having a higher likelihood of catching covid because we only have limited data to go on, effectively a snapshot in time. We do know efficacy wanes so how long do people really have a lowered risk of transmission?

There are other factors as well. For instance, an unvaccinated introvert who enjoys watching movies at home on the weekends or getting together with a friend for coffee or dinner on occasion vs a vaccinated extrovert who goes out every weekend and mingles with large groups. Which one is more likely to catch covid?
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Old 09-11-2021, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Because you are an incubator for viral mutation, reducing the effectiveness of my vaccination.

Because if you get infected and have to be hospitalized in the ICU, that is one less bed for people who may need it for other reasons.

Because if you are infected and come into proximity with me, there is a small chance I may catch a breakthrough infection.
Now replace "covid" with "influenza." You could say the exact same things as you wrote above, and be every bit as accurate.

Why are you acting differently now than you did two years ago regarding the flu shot? You didn't care if people got it then. Maybe - maybe - you had actually formed an opinion on it, but you never would have shamed someone into complying with your opinion. I'd bet that the very idea of that would have been repulsive to even you, then.

What changed?
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