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Old 09-11-2021, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I have always been an advocate of getting flu shots, and I have provided people with accurate information on the reasons for getting it.

However, COVID has a far higher morbidity rate than the flu. That is a significant reason why, although it is important to get a flu shot, it is way more important to get a covid shot.
You missed (or avoided) the point.

Were you shaming people into getting flu shots two years ago? Covid is more transmissible by design, sure, and it's a little bit worse than the flu, generally.

But shaming people into getting a shot? Do you understand the seriousness of that? Would you shame a woman into having sex - accepting something into her body that she doesn't want or need?

The differences between the flu and covid, practically speaking, aren't terribly significant. What's getting us is the newness of it, but it's becoming less and less new over time, and the strain it's putting on our systems is way down from where it was a year ago and will continue to fall until this is just another flu. The emergency is over.

Why do you feel it's your place to make medical demands of total strangers today, when you weren't doing it two years ago? What changed in your mind to lead you to the conclusion that it was immoral then, but not immoral now?
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:21 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Yes, I follow the science. The vaccines are roughly 95% effective against the initial variants, somewhat less so against delta. The more unvaccinated people we have, the more incubators we have, the more variants we have. Yes, the blame is correct.

Very rarely. Only if they are breakthrough infections, which are pretty rare all things considered. The unvaccinated form the greatest pool for mutational incubation.

Sure, that would be true. But that isn't really that big a deal, because vaccinated people rarely get infected, and rarely experience hospitalization.

I was really thinking about people who have heart attacks, get into car accidents, that type of thing.

Much less so of course. Vaccinated people rarely get infected to the point where they have enough viral load to infect others. Yes, it could happen, but it is rational to play the odds and consider vaccinated people less risky to be around.
How many times do people have to give you links to RECENT research? The above is no longer true; what you keep repeating over and over was all pre-Delta. Starting with:
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A new Mayo Clinic preprint looked at the effectiveness of mRNA vaccines between January and July. It found Pfizer effectiveness dropped to 42% in Minnesota in July, when Delta became the dominant strain.
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New Israel research says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads
Not 95%, but 42%, at most.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:26 AM
 
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Rather than debate the science, you would prefer to engage in a semantic argument?

Sounds like you are not willing to engage with facts.
Unbeknowst to you, semantics is part of logic.

Unlike ad hominem attacks taught in your handbook.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:28 AM
 
Location: TPA
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You acknowledge that vaccinated can pass the virus, but you seem to think you could only get the virus from unvaccinated?
I never said that, calm down.

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It has been beaten to death, despite that you wrong and providing incorrect information.
It is semantics, you are focused on my wording. I'm not sure why youre coming at me, we're both in agreement.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:30 AM
 
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If you are vaxxed and I am not, please explain how that's a threat to you.
If you're still asking questions like that, you have to question your mental ability to make decisions. This is now over a year and a half into the pandemic. So somebody has decided to make the decision for you.

The analogy is one of a household where some children throw tantrums and refuse to take responsibility. Eventually, the law gets laid down.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:43 AM
 
Location: CA
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I am taking HCQ weekly - so I have 'flattened fear' and spread, and I also have early treatment on-hand. I wish this option was more widely known and available.

It's pretty clear to me that medical 'experts' and leadership are NOT looking for true answers and viable options (to prevent hospitalization, spread, etc, etc) while also ignoring natural immunity and ivermectin - shows me their insincerity and reveals their true agenda. So, I can't trust their dictates - AT ALL.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:48 AM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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If you're still asking questions like that, you have to question your mental ability to make decisions. This is now over a year and a half into the pandemic. So somebody has decided to make the decision for you.

The analogy is one of a household where some children throw tantrums and refuse to take responsibility. Eventually, the law gets laid down.
Except we are not children, government is not mommy or daddy, and whether this is legal is up for debate. Some of the laws clearly forbid mandates. Do you want that law laid down?

Also quit attacking people personally.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:51 AM
 
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The economy will get much better if almost everyone is vaccinated. The drain on the economy is ridiculous because a $5 shot is less deletrious to the nation than wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars on on one person who could have gotten the $5 jab. As others have mentioned, good people are dying waiting for an ICU bed to open up.

Also, when [if] the nation gets vaccinated, when people who are sick or dying in the hospital, their family will be able to be with them as it was before covid.
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:51 AM
 
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Because vaccinated people can carry the virus. If you, unvaccinated, pass it onto me, I, showing no symptoms, can then pass it on to someone else who is immunocompromised.
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I never said that, calm down.
Was I not calm?

See the color fonts.They are your words, my coloring. Hope you knew what you were saying.

Last edited by Oldhag1; 09-11-2021 at 12:16 PM.. Reason: Don’t use red font, please
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Old 09-11-2021, 11:53 AM
 
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Those who are unvaccinated are only a risk to themselves and others who are unvaccinated but extremist authoritarians don't care about truth or reality, they care about blind obedience....thus why they are pushing for mandates
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