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Bush compares 1/6 insurrectionists to 9/11 terrorists
If he said that he'd be right.
He didn't.
I listened to videos of him saying what he said. Though he didn't name any particular group, he was pretty obviously referring to the "Summer of love" rioters, thugs, store thieves, Antifa and BLM cowards, from 2020 and now 2021. Their acts were MUCH more in line with what he said, than anyone at the capitol on Jan. 6. But he clearly didn't want to name them, for fear that they'd do it all again (as they have time after time).
The people at the capitol broke laws, but they didn't kill anyone. And they didn't do it in city after city, burning half of America's city center blocks etc. They did it once, wandering thru the building and taking selfies, and stopped.
Unlike the capitol protesters, the 2020 rioters thugs did everything he described and more. Again and again.
The liberals are bending over backwards trying to pretend he was referring to the people who entered the Capitol building... which doesn't even begin to compare. But the liberals are desperately hoping they can shout and bully some people into believing Bush meant the Capitol trespassers instead of the solid year of rioting, burning, looting, murders etc. by thousands in 2020 and 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ersary-speech/
“There is little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and violent extremists at home,” Bush said in a speech at the Flight 93 National Memorial in Shanksville. “But in their disdain for pluralism, in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols — they are children of the same foul spirit, and it is our continuing duty to confront them.”
"...their disregard for human life" obviously doesn't refer to the capitol trespassers, who killed nobody. Much more likely he was referring to the Antifa/BLM crybabies who killed many, burned down buildings, tried to burn a police station full of cops with the cops trapped inside etc.
Funny, I didn't see any of the 9/11 guys wearing horned hats, guzzling beer, and taking selfies with the supposed security guards whose job it was to prevent unarmed "Vikings" from dirtying the carpets (which of course, they didn't do).
January 6 was a protest in the same vein as BLM (except it was a lot less violent) but because it was white people doing it, it's called an "insurrection". Typical.
No, because it was against the cheating pulled by Democrats, that the Democrats are trying to call it an "insurrection".
Storming the capital while certifying an election to disrupt it is not a protest... it's an attack on the will of the people (and we can say that because our votes are the will of the people... protesting government policy is not necessarily the will of the people but rather will of the representatives).
I feel the same about you. Protests are made to disrupt the process. They wouldn't be protests if they wouldn't disrupt the process they are protesting, DUH! You act like you got here on a boat and this is new to you. The difference is you dislike them and what they were protesting.
The rest let the court and jury decide what laws they broke using "violence" and what should be their punishment, not your opinion. My point is (again), that wasn't an insurrection or a threat to our democracy. This has been going on since the 13 colonies in this country.
To give you some history, most southern states did not secede from the Union until Abraham Lincoln called for Federal troops for an invasion of the south. At that point everyone was forced to take a side.
You don't want a situation where trained soldiers are forced to take a side and to kill their fellow Americans. Once the shooting starts it is hard to stop.
Well don't. That's not how it went down. The South left before the North passed the Corwin Amendment in March/1861 so they could return. They didn't want to return. That's what the war was all about.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
My point is, if Trump had double-downed on his claims of election fraud and called on Americans to come fight for him. What would have happened?
I think Trump would have been arrested. But if that happened would that have been the end of it?
You are correct that nothing happened. But there's a reason everyone freaked out about 1/6. And why the national guard was in Washington D.C. under Trump, long before Biden was inaugurated. It wasn't just a political show, they were terrified. Not just the politicians, but the corporations, the money, the empire, wall street, the whole shebang.
Stop looking at what did happen and think about what could have happened.
If you viewed it that way, that's your extreme view. Most Americans continued to go about their business and don't care and to say "everybody" were freaked out is spreading fear. Trump didn't violate any laws.
Is not the first time or last time in our history that politicians accused the system of fraud, especially Democrats. I found the BLM violent protests last year and the politicians gave orders to the police to stand down against criminals while Americans were begging for help a lot more troublesome than 1/6.
Even George W. Bush acknowledges Trump, his MAGA militants and the violent insurrectionists ---who participated in the coup attempt--- are terrorists as explicitly as the 9/11 extremists were.
He is right, you know. The FBI & Homeland Security and the Justice Department, under both Trump's administration and the current, have repeatedly, and often under oath, described and warned of the grave threat right wing extremism and their white nationalistic domestic terrorism pose to America.
“In the weeks and months following the 9/11 attacks, I was proud to lead an amazing, resilient, united people,” Bush said. “When it comes to the unity of America, those days seem distant from our own. Malign force seems at work in our common life that turns every disagreement into an argument, and every argument into a clash of cultures. So much of our politics has become a naked appeal to anger, fear and resentment. That leaves us worried about our nation and our future together.”
Good leaders, current or former presidents, speak like this. We have only had one recent guy, and we all know it was Donald J. Trump, who foments fear and resentment, sought and still does seek to create and amplify divisions, and who magnifies grievance and differences between we the people of these United States of America. Trump, and all those mini-wanna-be disruptive Trumps in the GOP, are the malign force of which George Bush spoke. We know this because of their intense reactionary disapproval of one of their own party who speaks of the importance of democracy and unity as necessary for the USA to survive.
Trump damaged America in a way Bin Laden only dreamed of.
UPDATE: Even Donald Trump himself acknowledges that Bush drew a direct line between the 9/11 terrorists and the 1/6 insurrectionists.
Trump, released a statement bashing Bush, today: “So interesting to watch former President Bush, who is responsible for getting us into the quicksand of the Middle East (and then not winning!), as he lectures us that terrorists on the ‘right’ are a bigger problem than those from foreign countries that hate America He shouldn't be lecturing us about anything," Trump said in a statement released via his Save America PAC. "The World Trade Center came down during his watch."
So in addition to Trump comprehending Bush's words ---as did most everyone else around the world except for those on this thread who deny them---Trump is telling us, once again, he sides with the white supremacists and other assorted MAGA misfits & R wing domestic terrorists. Shameful. He never learns...worst POTUS ever.
Can somebody point out for me, where Bush drew ANY connection between foreign terrorists such as the 9/11 hijackers, and the Jan. 6 Capitol protesters?
He didn't name what group he was talking about, but he mentioned "their disregard for human life". The Jan. 6 protesters killed nobody, ever. BLM/Antifa rioters murdered police, passers-by, burned city centers across the nation, threatened residents, shoppers, homeowners etc. They destroyed and looted stores, offices, city halls etc., for more than a year of continuous rioting
And he mentioned "their determination to defile national symbols". Jan 6 protesters broke a few windows in the Capitol building. Antifa/BLM rioters destroyed, spray-painted, set fire, and toppled dozens of statues of famous American figures in cities across the country, attacked a number of city halls, set fire to police stations with cops still inside, shot off-duty cops, etc., while they were busy rioting and burning city after city across the U.S.
Which group do YOU think Bush was referring to, when he described them as "children of the same foul spirit" as the 9/11 hijackers and other foreign terrorists?
Can somebody point out for me, where Bush drew ANY connection between foreign terrorists such as the 9/11 hijackers, and the Jan. 6 Capitol protesters?
yeah, scary. What do you call American left wing terrorism that goes on all the time especially the BLM violent protests? those get praises or totally ignored by the media and the left.
That's because the media is not "news" they're Pravda and Izvestia, as I've called them for a while now. The AIM Report has been documenting and reporting on this since the 1960s.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
I agree, but many of the people definitely had insurrectionist-leanings. Most people in this country seem to want some kind of revolution. I don't mean they want to vote in the next election, I mean they support a violent revolution.
The only thing that prevents it is a lack of leadership and the uncertainty of the outcome. People aren't willing to risk their lives for something that doesn't seem possible. The moment it seems possible, all hell will break loose.
Depending on what Donald Trump said to the insurrectionists, we could have been instantly plunged into a Civil War.
"Insurrectionist leanings"? Crystal balls are very useful.
Trump said keep it peaceful.
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Originally Posted by LordSquidworth
I wouldn't call storming the capital building with the goal of disrupting our elections "just a protest" and the mere insinuation of such is just being disingenuous. This was the act of criminals and hopefully the government gets its act together and prosecutes as many as they can identify. Once they breached the capital building it was no longer a protest.
It's no secret that for awhile now the FEDs have ranked homegrown terrorists as a bigger threat than Islamic ones.
Many of them have been held incognito in solitary confinement since their arrest. Unlawfully have no access to an attorney. No bathing, no shaving, no exercise yard. Remind you of anywhere?
The feds also infiltrated this group and had some players in there egging things on. The FiB long ago stopped being the saints in suits law enforcement agency.
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Originally Posted by irishcopper
If Bush was referencing the disorganized rabble that stormed the Capitol on January 6th but giving the Antifa and BLM organized mobs that rioted, burned, looted, injured dozens of citizens and police officers, occupied and sacked police stations in Minneapolis and Seattle, occupied a Seattle neighborhood and damn near burned down a federal court house in Portland a pass then he's showing his true colors. To call what occurred in Washington an insurrection but exclude the civil unrest that occurred for months in Minneapolis, Portland, Los Angeles, Chicago, St Louis, Seattle and other cities is the height of hypocrisy. I never trusted or cared for Bush. This quote from his speech solidifies my feelings about him. “Right wing extremism” has become mythical boogeyman of the American left, the media as well as the oligarchy that Bush represents. Even the uber liberal Southern Poverty Law Center admits there are less than 25K Americans who are active members of Right Winged Extremist or White Supremacist groups.
So much there.
Anyone ever notice how there are no "left wing" anythings?
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What do you call American left wing terrorism that goes on all the time especially the BLM violent protests? those get praises or totally ignored by the media and the left.
