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Old 09-12-2021, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by NCSweettea View Post
I don’t support late term abortion. I’ve heard all the arguments, etc. it’s a life at three months it’s not a life before three months, on and on the arguments go. So aside from that, to answer you question indirectly, it’s not just as cut and dry and as simple as “have baby give it up for adoption“. Going through a full pregnancy and giving birth to a living human being is a big deal. A woman’s body is forever changed once she gives birth to a child. Maybe she doesn’t want those changes. Maybe she doesn’t want to sit up in bed one day 30 years down the road and wonder whatever happened to her adopted child. As long as she aborts early, I don’t have an issue. But I do personally think late term abortion‘s are evil. They are in fact murder.


What biological event signals when a "don’t have an issue" abortion of a fetus becomes an "in fact murder" of a child?

 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Toddlers have already been born. Fetuses have not.

Women like a man, can control her reproduction as she wants. She can control it before or after sex, she can give birth adopt or abort. Her choice your opinions mean nothing to her.
Mind your own sperm men. Women can mind their own uterus.
That's just it, many women seem completely incapable of managing their own reproductive organs in a responsible manner.

That combined with the fact that, when it comes to personnel responsibility, we treat women like children.

The language of Roe bears this out.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:36 AM
 
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When pregnant, my sister interviewed three professional couples before deciding which couple would adopt her son.

Couples wait for newborns.

Couples compete for newborns.
Years ago we fostered a newborn. He came to us when he was 2 days old. It took a year for me to find adoptive parents. He was biracial. The county, who had legal custody of him was useless.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:36 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Didn't know "choice" was out the window if the boyfriend doesn't like the idea of delivering the baby..
It's men invoking their "choice." Anyone who labels pro-life as a "war against women" is absolutely forgetting that men FORCE women to have abortions. That whole "men want control over women's bodies/reproductive choice" cuts BOTH ways.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Toddlers have already been born. Fetuses have not.
Makes no difference. Fetal homicide laws codify killing a fetus as homicide, same as killing a toddler. Why women get an exception to that is odd as that's unconstitutional. It violates the Equal Protection Clause. Either anyone can kill an unborn child or no one can. Can't have it both ways.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN -
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Source?
Do you ask the same of anyone who implies that "liberal" women are more likely to have an abortion? Or do you not question those implications because they fit your "agenda"?
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That's just it, many women seem completely incapable of managing their own reproductive organs in a responsible manner.

That combined with the fact that, when it comes to personnel responsibility, we treat women like children.

The language of Roe bears this out.
Correct. The assumption is that women are incompetent idiots. And they sure seem to be providing enough evidence to indicate that's true. 95% of abortions are sought because women weren't using birth control when they got pregnant (54%) or were using birth control incorrectly (41%). That's sheer incompetence.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:42 AM
 
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That's just it, many women seem completely incapable of managing their own reproductive organs in a responsible manner.

That combined with the fact that, when it comes to personnel responsibility, we treat women like children.

The language of Roe bears this out.
Your subjective, judgmental opinion, is just that. Women live their life, control their reproduction as they see fit. Not based on what you think.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:44 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Reason for abortion:

Rape: 0.3%
Incest: 0.03%

And rounding out the valid reasons for abortion...

Risk to maternal life: 0.1%
Risk to maternal health: 0.8%
Fetal health issue: 0.5%

The other 98.3% of abortions are solely for the sake of convenience.
Convenience? What about money? It costs money to raise a child. Conservatives want to have it both ways. They want to make abortion illegal, remove insurance coverage for birth control, keep wages low, and then refuse welfare benefits for poor parents because they're "lazy." Oh no, these children deserve to live in poverty because punishing poor mothers will teach them morality and the value of hard work.
 
Old 09-12-2021, 07:46 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Do you ask the same of anyone who implies that "liberal" women are more likely to have an abortion? Or do you not question those implications because they fit your "agenda"?
That would actually stand to reason as most abortions are obtained by Black and Hispanic women, combined. Both groups overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
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