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Old 09-14-2021, 01:25 PM
 
Location: TPA
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In person, with a valid picture ID. It has worked great for many decades. The only reason the left wants that changed is so voting irregularities are easier to get through.
So just get rid of absentees? Florida early voting, 2.1 million democrat voters in Florida and 1.4 million republican ones returned mail in ballots, and then another 1 million had no affiliation (because that exists). So why are you acting like this is some kind of democrat scam? You people act the margin is 99 to 1 and that there is no vetting system what so ever.

I voted early in October, in person, but I can assure you, if I had chose mail, it wouldnt have been a simple "hey lemme get a ballot." "Oops i messed up, can I get another?"
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Old 09-14-2021, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Lebanon, OH
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People can vote in person on Election Day or vote early absentee in person at the board of elections office, showing an ID to an election official either way. Strict safeguards against fraud is necessary in order to prevent claims of stolen elections. The more leeway you leave for cheating the more “stolen elections” claims there will be.
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Old 09-14-2021, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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This is so factually incorrect it would be laughable if not so sad.

States with mail in voting have lower fraud and higher participation. It's a no brainer except to GOPers who want to restrict voting as much as they can because they know that when more people vote, they lose.
This...GOP only wins when voter participation is low...instead of coming up w/ ideas that more people support, they just want less people to vote. Totally Unamerican.
Colorado and Oregon do it right...no more in person voting...it's all done by mail. Yet no instances of fraud has been found in either state.
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Old 09-14-2021, 01:53 PM
 
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The first election with a significant amount of mail in ballots was 1864. One of the reasons Lincoln win was the soldier vote.

My understanding is that due to the elderly population in Arizona and Florida, they historically have had high number of absentee ballots. There are states who only do absentee.
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Old 09-14-2021, 01:57 PM
 
Location: TPA
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This is so factually incorrect it would be laughable if not so sad.

States with mail in voting have lower fraud and higher participation. It's a no brainer except to GOPers who want to restrict voting as much as they can because they know that when more people vote, they lose.
Exactly. This is why more GOPers decided to vote mail last year. One...the virus, and two, they heard that's what the democrats and indies were doing and wanted to keep up. That is not my opinion, that's literally what was reported. When Florida's first early vote numbers came out, Republicans were cheering them, even though they were losing, because they "kept it close." If mail is so fraud heavy, why participate at all?

There is no mass fraud. There is just trying to save face.
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Old 09-14-2021, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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GOPers try to cheat by accusing others of cheating - unless of course a Republican wins, and then they are sure everything was just fine.

So no, I'm saying that one party or the other cheats, I'm saying Republicans cheat. The President of the United States started lying about an election ahead of time, to soften the ground so he could pretend that he hadn't actually lost by millions of votes. If there had been any of actual evidence, it would have been presented in one of the several dozen court cases on the topic. But that never happened and lawyers working directly for Trump went out of their way to assure the court they were not alleging voter fraud - because they knew they could be legally sanctioned for making a false claim.
That's not what you said. Nor does it constitute cheating.

But you did say the second bolding. Isn't that what one needs to prevent?

I did not say YOU said one party or the other - those were my non-partisan words. My interest is that NO-ONE can possibly be able to cry foul.

I've mentioned the United States being the greatest nation on earth. But you folks have these ongoing election fraud claims and audits and infighting and so on. See where I'm coming from?

Of course one might say "What difference does it make which party comes in?" But, if the ruling party came in on voter cheating, then we start looking at how Hitler came to power. He also had his BLM and antifa gangs going around intimidating people. Look at how the Russian revolution went down. Also intimidation and rioting. And then, just to top things off, the Dems and liberals are fighting AGAINST voter integrity laws.

Why would they do that? The Dems have been accused of voter fraud, right? So why aren't they leading the drive to ensure voter integrity? Are you aware that the Soviets had a one party system? One party system. Now do you see why voter integrity is so important.

Sure, the Repubs might win the next election if every state had voter integrity laws then there would be no doubt that they won fairly. Same applies if the Dems were to win. No possibility of crying foul. It would mean that's what the American people want. It would be a worry but it would be fair.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:07 PM
 
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Go on over to Ballotpedia. They have a whole section on how states prevent mail in ballot fraud.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:09 PM
 
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1. Elections will be held on Election Day ONLY.

2. No early voting or mail-in ballots (except Absentee Ballots, duly requested by military serving overseas, or by elderly voters unable to get to the polls or by travelers unable to return to their voting jurisdictions by Election Day. Signatures on Absentee Ballots to be notarized by a Certified Notary Public).

3. All voters to present valid identification at registration venues and at the polls.

4. Only paper ballots will be used. No machine voting.

5. Voter registration will close fourteen (14) business days prior to Election Day.

6. All voting polls to operate strictly within the law. Observers will be allowed full access to all election proceedings. All polling places will be equipped with “eye-in-the-sky” systems, similar to those used in gambling casinos, capable of detecting malfeasance.

7. All ballots will be hand-counted, no machine counting. All votes will be hand counted only in the precinct where the votes were cast.

8. Provisional ballots will be color-coded on the envelopes and on the ballots for clear identification to eliminate erroneous counting.

9. Reasonable costs necessary to implement a fair election process will be incurred with no argument.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:12 PM
 
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Yes. End all mail in voting. Vote in person. Out of state military are the only ones who should be allowed a special pass. The rest of us can get off our lazy asses and go vote in person, like it has been done forever.
Too bad mail in voting was invented a year ago like Big Lie truthers act like it was.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:34 PM
 
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This is so factually incorrect it would be laughable if not so sad.

States with mail in voting have lower fraud and higher participation. It's a no brainer except to GOPers who want to restrict voting as much as they can because they know that when more people vote, they lose.
Is that why States were violating Election Law changing it by the Secretary of State instead determined by their respective State Legislators AS REQUIRED BY LAW?
Ballots should be not be counted without signature or beyond the required postmark by many were in the last Election.
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