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Old 09-16-2021, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Interesting if you look at the 1 star reviews. Most of them are from yesterday and copy pastas of online articles. Ahh joys of going viral, you get trolls. A few of the prompts probably aren't appropriate for high school students. Simply have them not do those would seem an obvious answer. Their high school students not five-year-olds. They know what orgasms are. You probably shouldn't be asking them to write about a time they couldn't have one.
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:13 PM
 
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We had kids doing concurrent enrollment as well as dual enrollment (they sound the same but are different. The main difference is that with concurrent the college class taken also counts as a high school graduation credit. In dual it doesn't. This may change between states due to differing definitions) and the paperwork needed was ludicrous.

Permission from parents, sign off by Guidance, sign off by Principal, expectations contract for both parents and student. Multiple copies of which were spread around to various staff members (Guidance, AP Coordinator, Department Chair of subject, Instructional Coordinator).
We have it here also.

Some actually go to a community college and attend in person classes there.

We have had kids get their associates degree before their high school diploma!

I don't know how that happens. I would see the kids being dropped off at the college when I was piddling around after I retired. Taking courses here and there.

They looked so young.
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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We had kids doing concurrent enrollment as well as dual enrollment (they sound the same but are different. The main difference is that with concurrent the college class taken also counts as a high school graduation credit. In dual it doesn't. This may change between states due to differing definitions) and the paperwork needed was ludicrous.

Permission from parents, sign off by Guidance, sign off by Principal, expectations contract for both parents and student. Multiple copies of which were spread around to various staff members (Guidance, AP Coordinator, Department Chair of subject, Instructional Coordinator).
Honestly can't remember. I took a basic computer science class when I was in middle school during the summer. School wasn't involved, just a class I took during summer because I wanted to. I do remember having to take basic standardized tests and talk with some kind of academic counselor. But I was 13 or 14 so don't really remember.

Freshman year I came pretty close to dropping out of high school and looked at middle college, which was basically high school + junior college done at the college. Only reason I didn't was band and sports.
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Old 09-16-2021, 02:23 PM
 
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Interesting if you look at the 1 star reviews. Most of them are from yesterday and copy pastas of online articles. Ahh joys of going viral, you get trolls. A few of the prompts probably aren't appropriate for high school students. Simply have them not do those would seem an obvious answer. Their high school students not five-year-olds. They know what orgasms are. You probably shouldn't be asking them to write about a time they couldn't have one.
yes I read some of those -

And sure they are in high school, but this is a college level course - so be ready to be treated as a college student.
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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I saw this earlier. Asking high school students to write a sex scene they wouldn't show their mom, describe a time you wanted to orgasm and couldn't, the first time you had sex, and write an X-rated Disney scene seems a bit on the porn-y side.

And they've used this book previously. Morons. I'm glad the Mayor appeared and threatened them all and I hope they resign.
Absolutely agree, after scanning the topics in the Cleveland link. It's absurd.
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:25 PM
 
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Absolutely agree, after scanning the topics in the Cleveland link. It's absurd.
Maybe ten topics out of 642 that were meant for college students.

But the high school kids are taking the same college level course, so they use the same book. They probably have a couple of others.

And the parents are told that there might be explicit material in the books assigned so they can decline being part of the college course.
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Old 09-16-2021, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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[quote=North Beach Person;61927460]Where did I say the prompts were appropriate? Wait, I didn't./quote]
By saying, "well it's from a college class..." That implies what it is okay at the college level. The same questions are equally inappropriate for college students.

A college professor who said to a co-ed, "describe a time when you wanted to orgasm but couldn’t", would be fired so fast for sexual harassment they would have time to pack their desk.

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If you think that the vast majority of college students under 21 don't know what a beer tastes like then I have a bridge outside Annapolis I'll sell to you.
Where did I say I believed college students didn't know what beer tastes like. A school DIRECTING underage students to "drink a beer" would be breaking a host of laws.

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Not sure when this concurrent high school/college course taking started. Maybe it is a good idea and maybe not You can't treat them differently from the regular college kids.
The topics discussed were equally inappropriate for college students.

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Haven't read the whole thread, but from I have read on other sites
This is a college level class, so they are using the books etc that go with the course, Students have to fill out an application to be able to take college courses, The parents have to sign and are made aware that some subjects may contain "mature" content. Parents should pay attention.
If parents were shown the questions in this book, I doubt many, if any would have granted permission. A generic, "mature topics will be discussed" would not have been full disclosure.

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Permission from parents, sign off by Guidance, sign off by Principal, expectations contract for both parents and student. Multiple copies of which were spread around to various staff members (Guidance, AP Coordinator, Department Chair of subject, Instructional Coordinator).
I don't care in the Pope and president were required to sign off on it too. I guarantee you that no discussed the specifics in the course material, like this book's content.

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Maybe ten topics out of 642 that were meant for college students.
Several of the question were wrong at any age or level of education.
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Old 09-16-2021, 05:55 PM
 
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Maybe ten topics out of 642 that were meant for college students.

But the high school kids are taking the same college level course, so they use the same book. They probably have a couple of others.

And the parents are told that there might be explicit material in the books assigned so they can decline being part of the college course.
...some of those question are inappropriate for college students...
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Old 09-16-2021, 06:03 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Where did I say the prompts were appropriate? Wait, I didn't./quote]
By saying, "well it's from a college class..." That implies what it is okay at the college level. The same questions are equally inappropriate for college students.

A college professor who said to a co-ed, "describe a time when you wanted to orgasm but couldn’t", would be fired so fast for sexual harassment they would have time to pack their desk.


Where did I say I believed college students didn't know what beer tastes like. A school DIRECTING underage students to "drink a beer" would be breaking a host of laws.


The topics discussed were equally inappropriate for college students.


If parents were shown the questions in this book, I doubt many, if any would have granted permission. A generic, "mature topics will be discussed" would not have been full disclosure.


I don't care in the Pope and president were required to sign off on it too. I guarantee you that no discussed the specifics in the course material, like this book's content.


Several of the question were wrong at any age or level of education.
Did you go to college? If so, did you take any advanced Art classes or Creative Writing (no, tech writing for STEM doesn't count).

Like it or not, and I really have angst about it, that's what's in a lot of courses. In fact, it's somewhat tame compared to when I was in college 50 years ago due to various lawsuits over sexual harassment (for one).

You don't get to duck the fact that the parents are supposed to be aware of course content and signed off. You can bet your ass they're bragging at work/the bar/AA meetings/wherever that their kid's taking college classes in high school.
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Old 09-16-2021, 06:04 PM
 
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...some of those question are inappropriate for college students...
well my first university English Lit course, our professor told us if we wanted to use profanity in our essays - go ahead. After years of high school lit of Antigone, Julius Caesar - etc - it was kind of a shock. We little freshman just looked at each other -

And that was in the 70s -
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