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Old 10-04-2021, 06:37 AM
 
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You should be a proud supporter of McConnell. He's the one who made this happen, not Trump.
Ahhh but they see it as a win for Trump.

Trump was handed a list and told to choose from the list...in order.

Biden is incompetent but somehow Trump is brilliant for reading a list.

 
Old 10-04-2021, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Ahhh but they see it as a win for Trump.

Trump was handed a list and told to choose from the list...in order.

Biden is incompetent but somehow Trump is brilliant for reading a list.
But wasn't it your side that always clamored on about him being unstable and prone to break the rules as they were written? Now you're claiming that he's a disciplined actor who follows what people tell him to do. Y'all try to have it both ways in order to suit your narratives.
 
Old 10-04-2021, 06:54 AM
 
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But wasn't it your side that always clamored on about him being unstable and prone to break the rules as they were written? Now you're claiming that he's a disciplined actor who follows what people tell him to do. Y'all try to have it both ways in order to suit your narratives.


Choosing from a list is not a disciplined actor.

So dramatic......

Trump had no clue why the Supreme Court picks were there.

He thought he was assigning people that would be 'loyal' to him....it was never about the rule of law, the Constitution.

And that is apparent by the statements he made when the Court didn't support HIS agenda....
 
Old 10-04-2021, 06:55 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Choosing from a list is not a disciplined actor.

So dramatic......

Trump had no clue why the Supreme Court picks were there.

He thought he was assigning people that would be 'loyal' to him....it was never about the rule of law, the Constitution.

And that is apparent by the statements he made when the Court didn't support HIS agenda.
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Yeah, that's never happened before.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/...otu/index.html

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/polit...case/79218472/
 
Old 10-04-2021, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Choosing from a list is not a disciplined actor.

So dramatic......

Trump had no clue why the Supreme Court picks were there.

He thought he was assigning people that would be 'loyal' to him....it was never about the rule of law, the Constitution.

And that is apparent by the statements he made when the Court didn't support HIS agenda....
Ah, I see. More attempts now to get into Mr. Trump's head.

I get that you don't like Trump. But let's be clear those are just leftist talking points. Nothing more.

Curious, though, were you also claiming what you are now when Obama was calling out the SCOTUS to their faces during the State of the Union for not pushing HIS agenda? Asking for a friend.

To be clear, though, every president expects "loyalty" from the justices/judges he appoints to an agenda. That's why the vetting process is so important. If this wasn't the case, Obama would have taken recommendations from the Federalist Society. But it's clear why he didn't do so, just as it's clear why the Trump administration didn't take recommendations from the ACS on which judges to appoint.

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Old 10-04-2021, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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And there is a very good argument to be made that it should have never passed the Court. I'm all for SSM rights, but, from an originalist position, it is nonsensical to argue that the Framers thought they were including sexual orientation for some heightened protections under the equal protection clause.
Same sex marriages should be denied under the constitution, on what basis. Originalist view is that only some are entitled to marriage under the 14th amendment. How about Citizens United, did the framers think that corporations are people.
 
Old 10-04-2021, 08:51 AM
 
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The conservative members have not really bent to much except the ACA, marriage equality passed 5-4 but it would not have passed with this court. Many of the pro-business rulings were all one sided and largely conservative, Citizens United, Arbitration, Unions, Voting Rights Act, 2nd Amdendment.

Sorry but I don't see the conservative members bending to the left, so much with your amen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_t..._United_States

Here is the list of 2020 votes like this one....unanimous on an immigration case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchez_v._Mayorkas

Actual case references with the voting records shown.

Way better than handwaving anecdotes around and unsupported claims.
 
Old 10-04-2021, 09:00 AM
 
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Most people upset with recent events from the Supreme Court know nothing about how the law functions.

They just wants what they *feel* is right and then get mad at the USSC for not just throwing the law out the window to suit them.
Right - like when the efforts to overturn a legitimate election finally came to SCOTUS and they booted them to the ditch in a hurry. Trump was shocked to realize that unlike the Mafia owned judges in New York, the Supreme Court might not perform his bidding.
 
Old 10-04-2021, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_t..._United_States

Here is the list of 2020 votes like this one....unanimous on an immigration case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchez_v._Mayorkas

Actual case references with the voting records shown.

Way better than handwaving anecdotes around and unsupported claims.
I was pointing out major rulings that changed peoples lives and our democracy, yes that immigration case was unanimous, so.
 
Old 10-04-2021, 11:21 AM
 
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How would you know they stay within constitutional boundaries, are you a legal scholar. But that wasn't your point anyway, you claimed they are bending to the left, that is not the case. Their decisions are pro-business and lean heavily right for the most part. Like I stated something as simple as marriage equality would not have passed this court.
I did not say bending to left, nor right, just dealing well with each case individually.
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