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Old 09-19-2021, 02:36 PM
 
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Because you want to keep burning fossil fuels that will make life on this planet unbearable for future generations? What gives you that right?
as long as you post this nonsense...I"ll keep reminding you

The USA has not increased it's CO2 emissions in over 50 years....

....all of the increase in CO2 for the past 50 years has come ....directly or indirectly....from China

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Old 09-19-2021, 02:40 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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EV's are great, it's just GM's implementation is horrible. No surprise there.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:45 PM
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Location: North Monterey County
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We have a Bolt - and we love it. We’re retired so we’re not constantly charging it - nor are commuting with it - and never charge to 100%. Never had a problem with it.

And we just installed solar panels on the roof. So our power will be off the grid.

We’ll wait for the fix just like all the other 140K people who bought.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:53 PM
 
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Why would anyone buy a bolt when can get a Tesla model 3. General Motors sells junk like most American manufactures.
A lot of US manufactured vehicles are as well built (or better) as foreign vehicles at this point. This wasn't true 20 years ago but times change.

It varies A LOT by vehicle so do your homework and keep an open mind.
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:55 PM
 
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as long as you post this nonsense...I"ll keep reminding you

The USA has not increased it's CO2 emissions in over 50 years....

....all of the increase in CO2 for the past 50 years has come ....directly or indirectly....from China

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ederations.png
You conveniently look at a small number of years and ignore the larger picture. Look at the last 250 years.

China is in the same industrial revolution the United States was in a while ago when our CO2 emissions spiked. China is much larger.

The good news is that technology is progressing...
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Old 09-19-2021, 02:56 PM
 
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EV's are great, it's just GM's implementation is horrible. No surprise there.
Even the Volt was horrible. GM just can't make good products anymore.
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Old 09-19-2021, 03:00 PM
 
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I think we will see the adoption of self driving automobiles in 3 to 5 years. I am not a fan of Tesla on this issue because they are attempting to do it with cameras and skipping all the other sensors. If they pull it off they will have a large cost advantage. But the Tesla problem may prove very difficult to perfect. Great for cruise control but not so hot for the more detailed driving tasks. And we do not want them driving over a crawling 2 year old..
I think a combination of cameras and sensors is better than just one of them. But I don't see the use of a camera at such a huge negative. How would cameras not be able to recognize a crawling 2 year old?
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Old 09-19-2021, 03:06 PM
 
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You conveniently look at a small number of years and ignore the larger picture. Look at the last 250 years.

China is in the same industrial revolution the United States was in a while ago when our CO2 emissions spiked. China is much larger.

The good news is that technology is progressing...
roaring laughing!!!!

50 years ago CO2 levels were 325ppm....that was considered safe

remember 350.org.....if we can keep CO2 levels below 350ppm we're safe

All of the increase in CO2 has come...directly or indirectly....from China.....and you can't weasel out of that

But but China's bigger, China has more people, China industrial revolution....but but it's only fair.....Bullcrap....if it were really that dangerous people would be honest....and China wouldn't be commuting suicide
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Old 09-19-2021, 05:43 PM
 
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as long as you post this nonsense...I"ll keep reminding you

The USA has not increased it's CO2 emissions in over 50 years....

....all of the increase in CO2 for the past 50 years has come ....directly or indirectly....from China

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ederations.png

We are still injecting CO2 emissions into the atmosphere, which is still 2nd to China I believe. We can’t be pulling out of climate agreements and calling climate change a hoax if we expect China to do more on the issue.

What is your solution? If you think man-made climate change is a hoax, it’s pointless having this discussion with you.
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Old 09-19-2021, 05:57 PM
 
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We are still injecting CO2 emissions into the atmosphere, which is still 2nd to China I believe..
what's up with all these excuses for China? We have not increased our CO2 emissions in over 50 years...we have not contributed to the increase in global temperatures in over 50 years....we have not contributed to global warming in over 50 years

...all of the increase in CO2..directly or indirectly has come from China

...all of the increase in global warming has come from China

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What is your solution? If you think man-made climate change is a hoax, it’s pointless having this discussion with you.
If you're going to try and pull some stupid childish trick......"hoax"....it's more pointless having this "discussion" with you

China has caused all of global warming.....
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