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To calculate the benefits of vaccination you need to look at the cases by age group in the same timeframe and then calculate the expected deaths based on the MA historical CFR. If you do so, you will see that the deaths are about 20% of what would have been expected without vaccination.
This is fraudulent BS. You're calculating over different variants, different critical care approaches, different testing habits, different nursing home policies, etc., in order to exaggerate the benefits of vaccination.
Meanwhile, in the past week, within one state, 39 percent of deaths were in vaccinated people (the original topic of the thread, before the epic deflections). Recall that the Biden administration has breathlessly claimed this number is generally around 1 percent. See the problem?
Last edited by tribecavsbrowns; 09-20-2021 at 05:14 PM..
This is fraudulent BS. You're calculating over different variants, different critical care approaches, different testing habits, different nursing home policies, etc., in order to exaggerate the benefits of vaccination.
Meanwhile, in the past week, within one state, 39 percent of deaths were in vaccinated people (the original topic of the thread, before the epic deflections). Recall that the Biden administration has breathlessly claimed this number is generally around 1 percent. See the problem?
You know, if you can drill down into the data on a more granular level, you may be able to find a single day where everyone who died from Covid were fully vaxxed. If not for a whole day, maybe a shift at a single hospital. Then you could talk about how 100% of the deaths were among fully vaxxed folks. It would surely shickle you titless, as we used to say.
This is fraudulent BS. You're calculating over different variants, different critical care approaches, different testing habits, different nursing home policies, etc., in order to exaggerate the benefits of vaccination.
Meanwhile, in the past week, within one state, 39 percent of deaths were in vaccinated people (the original topic of the thread, before the epic deflections). Recall that the Biden administration has breathlessly claimed this number is generally around 1 percent. See the problem?
First of all the OP's data is wrong.
Between Sept 4 and Sep 11, MA reported 32 breakthrough deaths from a total of 73 deaths. So the actual percentage is 44%.
The OP used date of death reported not actual date of death. MA doesn't report deaths on Saturdays so the OP used the difference in deaths reported on Sept 3 and September 13.
Since MA started posting the data, there have been 103 breakthrough deaths out of 310 total deaths. Which is 33%.
So how do we know if the vaccines are reducing deaths?
To a full analysis we would need to know the ages of the breakthroughs that died. Unfortunately, MA does not provide this.
MA does provide a sliding 2-week cases, hospitalizations and deaths by age but it is not broken out by breakthroughs.
A simplistic analysis is that as 67% of the MA population is fully vaccinated and 1/3 of the deaths are coming from this population then the vaccinated 4X less likely to die. However, the age effects rare so strong it is impossible to say what the number is, especially when looking a one week's worth of data.
You know, if you can drill down into the data on a more granular level, you may be able to find a single day where everyone who died from Covid were fully vaxxed. If not for a whole day, maybe a shift at a single hospital. Then you could talk about how 100% of the deaths were among fully vaxxed folks. It would surely shickle you titless, as we used to say.
But it wasn't one day, it was a week. It was 80-some or 70-some deaths (there seems to be some legitimate dispute about the numbers). If you know your way around statistics, that's a plenty large enough sample size to see that a significant percentage of deaths happening presently are in people who have been vaccinated.
That "significant percentage" might be 40, it might be 30, whatever. The point is -- and this is also the original point of the thread: it sure as hell ain't 1 percent or anywhere close.
Between Sept 4 and Sep 11, MA reported 32 breakthrough deaths from a total of 73 deaths. So the actual percentage is 44%.
The OP used date of death reported not actual date of death. MA doesn't report deaths on Saturdays so the OP used the difference in deaths reported on Sept 3 and September 13.
Since MA started posting the data, there have been 103 breakthrough deaths out of 310 total deaths. Which is 33%.
So how do we know if the vaccines are reducing deaths?
To a full analysis we would need to know the ages of the breakthroughs that died. Unfortunately, MA does not provide this.
MA does provide a sliding 2-week cases, hospitalizations and deaths by age but it is not broken out by breakthroughs.
A simplistic analysis is that as 67% of the MA population is fully vaccinated and 1/3 of the deaths are coming from this population then the vaccinated 4X less likely to die. However, the age effects rare so strong it is impossible to say what the number is, especially when looking a one week's worth of data.
This is better. I don't disagree with anything here.
If it's such a pandemic among the unvaccinated like Biden says and if the vaccine works well against Delta, then how come 39 percent of deaths from September 4th to 11th were "vaccinated"
1.) What percent of the population of Massachusetts, is fully vaccinated? What percent of those, died of Covid (all variants) after becoming fully vaccinated?
2.) What percent of the population of Massachusetts, is not vaccinated? What percent of those, died of Covid (all variants)?
Please get back to us with the answers to those questions. Then, and only then, might your hysterical cries start to relate to reality.
I take it that you meant unvaxxed are 3.5x more likely to die from Covid? I think that's an important distinction.
But what about death in general? Who is more likely to die, vaxxed or unvaxxed? I could be wrong, but this is something that I don't think has been answered. Is it possible that the vaccine could help protect you from becoming a Covid death, but make you more vulnerable to dying from other illnesses? Is there any data on that?
Well I guess it depends on how mad the mobs get when they see an unvaccinated person.
May get to a point where they don't even get a chance to catch covid.
1.) What percent of the population of Massachusetts, is fully vaccinated? What percent of those, died of Covid (all variants) after becoming fully vaccinated?
2.) What percent of the population of Massachusetts, is not vaccinated? What percent of those, died of Covid (all variants)?
Please get back to us with the answers to those questions. Then, and only then, might your hysterical cries start to relate to reality.
This is like having predicted the New York Mets to win 100 games in 2021, being a cocksure turd about it, and then, when the team's under .500 in September and someone says, "hey bud, what happened there," you get defensive and say, "you idiot, they're better than the Nationals and Cubs!" And also you make the other person look up the records of the Nationals and Cubs -- because they're obvious enough to be grounds to berate someone over, but not obvious enough for you to, you know, remember them.
The "99% unvaccinated" crap was a lie. It was an obvious lie at the time. If that upsets you, for God's sake, take it up with the people telling the lie, don't get an attitude with the people who are simply asking why the original standard wasn't met.
Last edited by tribecavsbrowns; 09-20-2021 at 09:37 PM..
Ok. I'm good with that. You can keep your injections, but thank you anyway for offering.
Have a nice day, and now leave me the hell alone.
Unfortunately, people with your attitude spread covid to others far and wide, who then overwhelm hospitals and drain resources for care that should be for people not being lemmings walking off a cliff. Actually, the real source of this myth, where producers of a nature film chased them off a cliff because it made for better drama, is strangely more apropos.
Last edited by Westerner92; 09-20-2021 at 10:24 PM..
Unfortunately, people with your attitude spread it to others, who overwhelm hospitals and drain resources for care that should be for people not being lemmings going off a cliff.
The hospitals are not "overwhelmed". Please stop lying.
And, if you get the vaccine and stay at home like you are supposed to then you shouldn't need a hospital anyway. So stop being a totalitarian and MYOB.
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