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Is this system sustainable? Are a percentage of the 39% going to stop working altogether?
Of course not. The parasites will kill the geese that lay the golden eggs eventually. The Left is misanthropic and nihilistic. That's why they have to control the mass media : to present themselves as the opposite of what they are.
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They are getting paid for the job they are doing. All of use take wear and tear to our bodies and other things like relationships because of our jobs. That’s life. We work, wear out and die. Along the way hopefully we have done some good in the world and enjoyed some of our hard earned spoils.
You must fall into the “equality of outcome” camp. Which basically makes you a Marxist socialist. Sorry, burger flippers and shelve stockers should not make as much as doctors or other highly skilled professionals. If they want to make more, they can put in the work to do so.
I'm not an "equality of outcome" believer.
BUT. I am a believer in what we all witnessed during the pandemic. We know who the essential workers are, who we can't do without, not even for a day.
And we know who's making the bulk of the money and I believe they could take long vacations and none of us would notice.
So what we have, in the end, is a class of people who work full time to enrich the top, and the government is having to support them because they don't make enough to provide their housing, food and medical care.
So 61% pay ZERO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and Biden and the Democrats want to greatly increase entitlements, so it could get worse.
Do you think it's fair that 39% pay for 100% of the tax revenues? Are you part of the 61% who pay nothing or the 39% who pay for everyone?
Please leave out discussion of all the other taxes. This thread refers only to federal income taxes.
Please also leave out your flat rate tax ideas. Those have been discussed ad nauseam.
And if you think the 39% aren't paying enough, how much should they pay?
Is this system sustainable? Are a percentage of the 39% going to stop working altogether?
Yes. I did. I retired early several years ago (during the Obama Admin) in my early 50s because I got tired of being a tax slave. I still have to pay federal income tax but it's in the single digit thousands now instead of the hundreds of thousands I was paying each year. I think paying a few thousand a year in federal income tax is a fair price for the services I get from Fed Gov, so I'm OK with that.
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lol...what a stretch to make socialism sound great.
People get paid what the market determines they are worth.
It used to be, there wasn't this chasm between the highest and lowest paid workers. That a man (or woman, less so) could graduate high school, begin working for a company and work his way up from mailroom or stockroom or assembly floor, and if he was reliable and worked hard, by the time he was in his 40's he was in management and living quite comfortably.
That system isn't working for us anymore. And that is NOT socialism. That's capitalism at its finest.
What you're seeing now, is if you have a high school diploma and start work at the bottom, that's where you'll stay and oh by the way you'll need to work more than one job because it's likely not going to be a full time job with benefits.
It used to be, there wasn't this chasm between the highest and lowest paid workers. That a man (or woman, less so) could graduate high school, begin working for a company and work his way up from mailroom or stockroom or assembly floor, and if he was reliable and worked hard, by the time he was in his 40's he was in management and living quite comfortably.
That system isn't working for us anymore. And that is NOT socialism. That's capitalism at its finest.
What you're seeing now, is if you have a high school diploma and start work at the bottom, that's where you'll stay and oh by the way you'll need to work more than one job because it's likely not going to be a full time job with benefits.
The fallacy of your statement is that people dont want to work hard and apply themselves. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I hate to disappoint you, but theres still great opportunities out there for those who actually want to work and apply themselves. Trade schools are only a year or two, and its not unusual to end up making 100K. Theres a shortage of truck drivers, its not unusual to make $70,000 a year. I talked to my UPS driver, he's making $1500 a week. Theres 8 million jobs available right now. You dont even need a high school diploma to make $15 an hour.
Its simply a matter of saying you can do it, or you cant. Theres never been a better opportunity than now to get a career and make money, but the media will tell you it can't be done. As Henry Ford once said, "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can’t, you’re right."
Another way to look at this, is how many of those 61% who don't pay income tax are working at what we deem "essential" jobs, by pandemic standards?
They're working hard, full time, wrecking their knees and backs, for the profit of private business and still not making enough money to be comfortable.
How about, instead of us considering that "we" are supporting "them", "they" are supporting the capitalist system that leads to incredible wealth for those at the top of the chain, who have completely healthy knees and backs?
Grocery store stocking clerks, fast food workers, big box employees, who we all NEED, maybe need to be seen as the givers and not the takers?
many of the people you mentioned do pay taxes.
people constantly make the mistake of thinking hard work is everything- you need to work smart also if you really want to be successful.
It used to be, there wasn't this chasm between the highest and lowest paid workers. That a man (or woman, less so) could graduate high school, begin working for a company and work his way up from mailroom or stockroom or assembly floor, and if he was reliable and worked hard, by the time he was in his 40's he was in management and living quite comfortably.
That system isn't working for us anymore. And that is NOT socialism. That's capitalism at its finest.
What you're seeing now, is if you have a high school diploma and start work at the bottom, that's where you'll stay and oh by the way you'll need to work more than one job because it's likely not going to be a full time job with benefits.
People love to go back to an unsustainable 20-30 year period where this was true for a white male who didn't have a lot of skills, when less people had high school and college degrees than have them now and when this country actually produced things. Those days are long gone. When you eliminate probably 70 percent of people from competing for those jobs it makes it pretty easy on those 30 percent.
It used to be, there wasn't this chasm between the highest and lowest paid workers. That a man (or woman, less so) could graduate high school, begin working for a company and work his way up from mailroom or stockroom or assembly floor, and if he was reliable and worked hard, by the time he was in his 40's he was in management and living quite comfortably.
That system isn't working for us anymore. And that is NOT socialism. That's capitalism at its finest.
What you're seeing now, is if you have a high school diploma and start work at the bottom, that's where you'll stay and oh by the way you'll need to work more than one job because it's likely not going to be a full time job with benefits.
I've been saying this same thing now for the last 20 plus years, and have gotten slammed for it. You can thank globalism, offshoring and outsourcing for this. Long gone are the days of "working ones way up". Welcome to the "service based economy" that we let ourselves fall into.
The tax code has long favored low income earners, especially with children and very high income earners, especially when income is derived from certain sectors, like real estate.
I favor a flat tax- every one has an equal % of gross income. No credits. No deductions.
So 61% pay ZERO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and Biden and the Democrats want to greatly increase entitlements, so it could get worse.
Do you think it's fair that 39% pay for 100% of the tax revenues? Are you part of the 61% who pay nothing or the 39% who pay for everyone?
Please leave out discussion of all the other taxes. This thread refers only to federal income taxes.
Please also leave out your flat rate tax ideas. Those have been discussed ad nauseam.
And if you think the 39% aren't paying enough, how much should they pay?
Is this system sustainable? Are a percentage of the 39% going to stop working altogether?
Are 61% not making enough money to pay federal income taxes? If so, then why shouldnt the people not paying enough wages be taxed for what would normally be collected from the 61%?
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