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Old 09-22-2021, 02:06 PM
 
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So your answer is to require the employer to pay their employees more. Now, the employer has a choice they can raise prices in their store to make up for the difference or reduce their labor expenses. They chose the latter. They do this by installing self-service checkouts and let 1/3 of the employees go since they are no longer needed. Works out great for the employees who USED to be a cashier...right?

Of course, there is another option. The employee could show some self-initiative and work to find a better job with higher pay.
Let's define "require" for a second.

By "requiring", they really mean putting a gun on the employer's head and forcing him to pay.

I'll wait for people to explain the screwed-up morality here.
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Old 09-22-2021, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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It used to be, there wasn't this chasm between the highest and lowest paid workers. That a man (or woman, less so) could graduate high school, begin working for a company and work his way up from mailroom or stockroom or assembly floor, and if he was reliable and worked hard, by the time he was in his 40's he was in management and living quite comfortably.

That system isn't working for us anymore. And that is NOT socialism. That's capitalism at its finest.

What you're seeing now, is if you have a high school diploma and start work at the bottom, that's where you'll stay and oh by the way you'll need to work more than one job because it's likely not going to be a full time job with benefits.

Sorry comrade, but capitalism works. No other country has evolved, prospered, and made advancements in society as fast the USA did. Capitalism helped with that. No other country allows someone to pursue the job/career choice of their dreams, make income off it, and live the life they want to live. Capitalism helped with that.


Your problem is you're looking at this with an outdated mindset. Those days you're describing are long gone. The digital age transformed life as we know it. We have more jobs and more career choices than we did back then. A lot of these jobs require more education than the jobs of the past. We lived in simpler times back in those days.


You're literally trying to compare the lifestyle of a family in the suburbs circa 1958 to 2021. Gone are the days where going to high school is all you need to succeed. You either learn a trade, or go to school. Or if you have the means to do so, start your own company.


Sorry, I didn't become a network engineer to make the same pay as some rando at a grocery store. You should ask Venezuela how socialism worked out for them, or any other country that failed adopting it into their country.


As Margaret Thatcher once said, "The problem with socialism, is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
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Old 09-22-2021, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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May I recommend Hand to Mouth by Linda Tirado.

And then, Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich

May I recommend American Marxism to you by Mark Levin? Because you're exactly the kind of people he's talking about, and I worry for this country knowing you and many others like you live here.
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Old 09-22-2021, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Do clerks at Walmart, even those who are full time, and are skilled and have been there for 15 years, pay federal income taxes, or do they get a refund at the end of the year?

That's what this is about, I believe. Those who pay federal income taxes.

Yes, they pay taxes! And guess what, they get money back during tax season! I had a friend work full time at Walmart while he took nice classes for his certifications in IT after he saw how much I enjoyed being in that field myself.


He always got a tax return every year.
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Old 09-22-2021, 02:22 PM
 
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May I recommend Hand to Mouth by Linda Tirado.

And then, Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich
Quoting Jordan Peterson:

"We have not learned how to create a system without inequality. Capitalism creates inequality for sure but it also creates wealth for everybody. Other systems only produce inequality."

Just FYI, the poorest American is at least middle class if we use the world's poverty standard.
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Old 09-22-2021, 02:27 PM
 
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May I recommend Hand to Mouth by Linda Tirado.

And then, Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich

Linda Tirado is controversial, which is the kindest way to put it. Even left leaning New York Times included Tirado’s story in their roundup of online hoaxes and fibs.
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Old 09-22-2021, 04:34 PM
 
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Um, they are 'not making enough' because the sleaze bags in Congress set the tax rates and give them handouts.
Should the sleaze bags then set the tax rate so to tax the 61% more and still have to give them handouts because there be nothing left after?
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Old 09-22-2021, 06:57 PM
 
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So 61% pay ZERO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and Biden and the Democrats want to greatly increase entitlements, so it could get worse.

Do you think it's fair that 39% pay for 100% of the tax revenues? Are you part of the 61% who pay nothing or the 39% who pay for everyone?

Please leave out discussion of all the other taxes. This thread refers only to federal income taxes.

Please also leave out your flat rate tax ideas. Those have been discussed ad nauseam.

And if you think the 39% aren't paying enough, how much should they pay?

Is this system sustainable? Are a percentage of the 39% going to stop working altogether?
What percent of the population control what percent of the wealth?
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Old 09-23-2021, 03:44 AM
 
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My question is/was 'Is it sustainable?"
And I answered it. Clearly we have sustained at the normal 45% level for quite some time.
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Old 09-23-2021, 05:07 AM
 
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So 61% pay ZERO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and Biden and the Democrats want to greatly increase entitlements, so it could get worse.

Do you think it's fair that 39% pay for 100% of the tax revenues? Are you part of the 61% who pay nothing or the 39% who pay for everyone?

Please leave out discussion of all the other taxes. This thread refers only to federal income taxes.

Please also leave out your flat rate tax ideas. Those have been discussed ad nauseam.

And if you think the 39% aren't paying enough, how much should they pay?

Is this system sustainable? Are a percentage of the 39% going to stop working altogether?
"Do you think it's fair that 39% pay for 100% of the tax revenues?"

But, but, but they NEED to pay their FAIR share!

"The top 10% earned 48% of the income and paid 71% of federal income taxes."

https://www.heritage.org/taxes/comme...rich-pay-taxes
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