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Old 09-26-2021, 11:22 AM
 
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Now you're advocating lawlessness! Not surprised, in the least.
Stating the fact that many men skip out on child support is not advocating lawlessness.

 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:23 AM
 
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Working to pay child support nets the men 18+ years of health risks. Men are 10 times more likely than women to die while at work.
Not working is far riskier since it likely results in starving or going homeless.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:26 AM
 
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A sleeping or unconscious person can't do any of those things. Does that mean we get to kill them if we so choose?
A sleeping person is going to respond if you raise your voice or shake them.

As far as an unconscious person, yes we do get to kill them if they are unconscious long enough and doctors determine they are brain dead. We remove them from life support and let them die or in some cases hasten their death with pain killers.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:28 AM
 
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Forms of "birth control" that kill unborn children should be made illegal. There are plenty of alternatives.
That would just increase abortions. Is that what you want to accomplish?
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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What kind of person plans on killing a fetus as their go to plan because they couldn't be bothered enough to use birth control correctly?
Your mother, your sister, your wife, your neighbor, your colleague, your cousin, your grocer store clerk, your doctor, your nurse, your day care provider, your aunt, your grandmama, your child's teacher, your wife's hairdresser, your dog's groomer, your podiatrist, your daughter, your nemesis, your best friend, the list goes on.

Sometimes the man they are with is very pushy and convincing, "can't keep their hands off them," sometimes they are inebriated and they lack the full scope of their cognitive abilities, sometimes they miscalculate, and get this - sometimes they actually have an IUD and still become pregnant.

What's it to you? It's none of your business - you take care of yours, and they will take care of theirs.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:34 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Stating the fact that many men skip out on child support is not advocating lawlessness.
Yet another poster who thinks if you give them a length of rope then they believe they are a cowboy. They can't stick to the facts because their conviction of their moral superiority is too strong.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:44 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Not working is far riskier since it likely results in starving or going homeless.
Who in the US is starving to death? And homelessness isn't a death sentence, either.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:45 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A sleeping person is going to respond if you raise your voice or shake them.
Not always.
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As far as an unconscious person, yes we do get to kill them if they are unconscious long enough and doctors determine they are brain dead. We remove them from life support and let them die or in some cases hasten their death with pain killers.
Fetuses aren't brain dead.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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A fetus is only temporarily in the womb. Same key word: temporarily. So answer the question... A sleeping or unconscious person can't talk you, respond back to you with looks or sound, or look you in the eye. So can we kill them, too, at will?
No. A fetus is DEVELOPING in the womb, IF the woman allows it. It did NOT start out as a human being. You cannot compare a developing cluster of cells to a born and grown person who temporarily became unconscious. You are really reaching for an analogy.

Face facts. Most abortions occur BEFORE the cluster of cells develops into a recognizably human fetus. It becomes a person only if it is allowed to develop to the point where it can be BORN and survive outside the womb. Only after a live birth would it be termed a person.
 
Old 09-26-2021, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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If your life had been taken when you were at the zygote, embryo or fetus stage of development, you would have never have been born. You would have existed but you would be dead.
Nope. You would never have existed as a born human being .

An organism (zygote or embryo for example) has a potential to grow into a baby. It does not start out as a baby. It never gets to the point where it can be born if aborted.

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