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According to CDC, 20% of breakthrough cases die. Look it up, it's right on their website. Your point? Oh, it's ONLY few thousand, no big deal, right? And your lottery always gives you winning ticket, right?
And if The Loving Government wants to protect EVERY life, why is it that "few thousand" is small price to pay? Que?
you're getting some bad info, or looking at CDC.com
or do you mean that ~20% of breakthrough hospitalizations have led to death?
There are still vaccinated people dying...of covid AND the Vax itself.
If your vax is so great why /how do the unvaxed threaten you?
The unvaccinated is 11 TIMES more likely to die compared to the vaccinated. Comparing the two is like comparing a punch from an eight-yr-old and one from Mike Tyson.
The unvaxed is a portal for spreading the disease and a playground for mutation. Not only do they spread, there is a chance what they spread is a new variant that is either deadlier or can outsmart the vaccine.
The unvaccinated is 11 TIMES more likely to die compared to the vaccinated. Comparing the two is like comparing a punch from an eight-yr-old and one from Mike Tyson.
The unvaxed is a portal for spreading the disease and a playground for mutation. Not only do they spread, there is a chance what they spread is a new variant that is either deadlier or can outsmart the vaccine.
The unvaccinated is 11 TIMES more likely to die compared to the vaccinated. Comparing the two is like comparing a punch from an eight-yr-old and one from Mike Tyson.
The unvaxed is a portal for spreading the disease and a playground for mutation. Not only do they spread, there is a chance what they spread is a new variant that is either deadlier or can outsmart the vaccine.
There are also experts who say the vaccinated can breed dangerous vaccine-resistant mutations, as we vaccinate more of the population and the disease keeps spreading in the vaccinated. It's a problem when you deploy a leaky vaccine in the midst of a pandemic.
The only argument to be made for these particular leaky and waning vaccines is for personal protection. But we don't mandate other means of personal protection that are validated scientifically, like maintaining vitamin D levels, not being obese, n95 masks, exercising etc.
Also, knowing the vaccines wane, many are as good as un-vaxxed without boosters.
At least two courts have ruled this way so far. Bottom line, if you’re waiting for the court to save you from losing your job because you refuse the vaccine, you’ll be waiting a long time.
Well as a business owner, I believe I should be the only one who makes the rule. If I want everyone works for me to wear masks, then they can choose to comply, or say f you, I quit. No hard feelings.
Personally, I won't require everyone to be vaccinated because I believe everyone's body is different. Plus the people who want to be vaccinated have already got vaccinated. It's not my place to force somebody to inject something in their body.
here's the problem with your completely rational post.
It relies on those in control acting rational. And the government is clearly not acting rationally, nor considering what might happen down the road.
The government has convinced too many of the vaxxed that the unvaxxed are going to kill them.
Nevermind an unvaxxed person that isn't infected cannot infect you.
Nevermind the fact that, after 19 months this "killer virus" has only been detected to infect ~ 1/6 of the population.
Nevermind that, except for distinct populations, the risk from infection is very low.
What matters is they've been led to believe in the hazard, and the government has given them the ammunition.
And so, should someone get infected in the business - be it employee, visitor, customer - and have a "bad outcome" (missed work/income, hospitalization, death, "long Covid"), then they are going to sue the business. And the lawyers and courts are likely to favor them, because that business didn't follow these "CDC guidelines" to require vaccinations, wear masks, etc etc.
There are also experts who say the vaccinated can breed dangerous vaccine-resistant mutations, as we vaccinate more of the population and the disease keeps spreading in the vaccinated. It's a problem when you deploy a leaky vaccine in the midst of a pandemic.
The only argument to be made for these particular leaky and waning vaccines is for personal protection. But we don't mandate other means of personal protection that are validated scientifically, like maintaining vitamin D levels, not being obese, n95 masks, exercising etc.
Also, knowing the vaccines wane, many are as good as un-vaxxed without boosters.
On the contrary, we do mandate hard hats at construction sites. And seat belts.
What you would need to argue is that the vaccine is more relevantly similar to the "non-mandate" examples than to the "mandate" examples. Or approach it differently - that you believe the vaccine mandates do more harm than good.
It doesn't protect fully a person from having two very miserable weeks.
Maybe you have no problem with getting beat up for two weeks, many people do.
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That is a factually inaccurate talking point, and the goal posts keep moving.
First we were told herd immunity was the goal, along with measures to treat the Wuhan virus, not vaccination against it.
That was because typical fully vetted vaccines take on average 8 years through trials and multiple reveiws to get FDA approval.
Trump creates "warp speed" and helps companies develop an experimental medication called a vaccine in record time, and as usual the left was skeptical. Even the VP [only chosen for her race and gender] was saying she would not be taking the Trump vaccine".
Oh how the times have changed.
Next we had the suggestion people get the vaccine, but prominent (D's) were saying (including Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, and Fauci himself) there would not be mandates.
Don't believe it, just look up the video clips.
Then the 93%-95% "immunity" was touted as a great reason to get the vaccine.
It made sense on a risk vs. reward basis for the elderly, especially those with health problems. However anyone with natural immunity having recovered from covid, were told they nor the young need bother with the m/RNA shots.
Then the goal posts moved again with mandates starting with the military, and trying to coerce everyone, the young, the healthy, and even those with natural immunity to take the shots. It has built into almost a religious fervor.
Regardless, now people like you are ignore the fact that fully "vaccinated" people are not only getting AND spreading the virus, but some are dying.
So your dismissive comment about only getting ill for two weeks is inaccurate at best, intentionally deceptive at worst.
Heck a recent case had the relatives of a fully vaccinated person who died, blaming the unvaccinated for her death.
You cannot make us such stupid things, for fear no one would believe it.
So while I fully support older Americans with comorbidities (especially those who are overweight) to get the mRNA shots (and anyone who has health issues), this idea that every citizen (including children) must get the shots is absurd.
That is especially true because these shots losing their antibody levels with every passing month. Thus now the push for boosters, probably for the foreseeable future, or at least until a real vaccine can be developed.
Needless to say, some have become vaccine zealots, claiming their fully vaccinated relatives and selves are exclusively catching the virus from the unvaccinated. That is false, as they can be catching it from fellow vaccinated people.
Ask the people in Iceland & Israel (both 90%+ vaccinated)if they are catching it from the fully vaccinated or not, and you will find your flawed comment to be fake news.
That is a fact you cannot deny with "your own truth". You know, Biden's infamous "we believe in truth over facts" comment.
here's the problem with your completely rational post.
It relies on those in control acting rational. And the government is clearly not acting rationally, nor considering what might happen down the road.
The government has convinced too many of the vaxxed that the unvaxxed are going to kill them.
Nevermind an unvaxxed person that isn't infected cannot infect you.
Nevermind the fact that, after 19 months this "killer virus" has only been detected to infect ~ 1/6 of the population.
Nevermind that, except for distinct populations, the risk from infection is very low.
What matters is they've been led to believe in the hazard, and the government has given them the ammunition.
And so, should someone get infected in the business - be it employee, visitor, customer - and have a "bad outcome" (missed work/income, hospitalization, death, "long Covid"), then they are going to sue the business. And the lawyers and courts are likely to favor them, because that business didn't follow these "CDC guidelines" to require vaccinations, wear masks, etc etc.
Bottom line: You have the right to refuse the vaccine.
But your employer or any establishment also has the right to require vaccination as entry requirement. Their right to protect themselves does not infringe on your right to refuse the vaccination.
This has been established for years. If you work with food, employers can require that you be tested for hepatitis, but do they have the right to demand you be vaccinated against it?
These mRNA inoculations are not really a vaccine anyway, they are a essentially a therapeutic. They definitely do not prevent infection, they just mitigate the virus and help your body's immune system defeat it. Employers may as well be requiring people to take Tamiflu or Relenza to prevent influenza.
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