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Old 09-26-2021, 09:44 AM
 
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That in no way changes what I posted. There are over 1.5 million charitable organizations in the US. The government isn't needed to provide for poor children, the elderly, & other members of society who cannot contribute to the marketplace. It can all be done voluntarily, depending on what society values.

https://www.nptrust.org/philanthropi...ng-statistics/
What are your individual values? Are they universal? In other words, does everyone agree with your values?
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Old 09-26-2021, 09:58 AM
 
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That in no way changes what I posted. There are over 1.5 million charitable organizations in the US. The government isn't needed to provide for poor children, the elderly, & other members of society who cannot contribute to the marketplace. It can all be done voluntarily, depending on what society values.

https://www.nptrust.org/philanthropi...ng-statistics/
Remember, poor people, especially those who are rural, aren't sophisticated enough to utilize either charities or governmental programs so elitist urbanites must guide them. At least that's what I'm getting from another thread as well as countless others.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/rura...verty-usa.html
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Old 09-26-2021, 10:48 AM
 
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What are your individual values? Are they universal? In other words, does everyone agree with your values?
Doesn't matter. If a majority of society doesn't believes in voluntarily funding the poor, etc., which they don't, the poor shouldn't be funded
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Old 09-26-2021, 11:29 AM
 
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Doesn't matter. If a majority of society doesn't believes in voluntarily funding the poor, etc., which they don't, the poor shouldn't be funded
Cut everything off tomorrow. See what happens.
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Old 09-26-2021, 11:59 AM
 
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Cut everything off tomorrow. See what happens.
That's what the plethora of the 1.5 million charitable organizations are for. They can put their money where their mouths are.
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Old 09-26-2021, 12:21 PM
 
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Doesn't matter. If a majority of society doesn't believes in voluntarily funding the poor, etc., which they don't, the poor shouldn't be funded
Are you afraid to state what your individual values are? Does that mean you've given up on the libertarian penchant for public shaming those who don't fall for your moral posturing schtick?
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Old 09-26-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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That's what the plethora of the 1.5 million charitable organizations are for. They can put their money where their mouths are.
I've been a huge advocate for abolishing all government programs for many years now. But to understand why you need to imagine what would happen if we woke up tomorrow and all government assistance was cut off.

Most poor people would have no choice but to go to churches for assistance. Not just the food banks, but everything. The net outcome would be a much more church-centric society.

The problem is that there are a lot of different churches, and some churches are much richer than others. By making a society church-centric you are creating not only an unequal society, but a segregated society.

Government-assistance creates a less fractious and more secular society.

When the vast majority of Americans were rural, and before the Federal Reserve and massive inequality, not having government assistance was acceptable. But if you tried to do it today you would either end up in revolution or dissolution.
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Old 09-26-2021, 04:03 PM
 
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Are you afraid to state what your individual values are? Does that mean you've given up on the libertarian penchant for public shaming those who don't fall for your moral posturing schtick?
It has nothing to do with me. It's what society values, or doesn't.
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Old 09-27-2021, 06:00 AM
 
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It's quite reasonable. Either the 1.5+ million charitable organizations can provide for poor children, the elderly, and the genuinely incapacitated, or society does not value doing so. And if society doesn't value doing so, the government has no business stepping in and doing it without society's consent. The basis of our federal republic, after all IS the consent of the governed.
False dilemma, false dichotomy, false choice, & Black-and-white thinking.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
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Old 09-27-2021, 06:15 AM
 
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Arguing morals and values w/ communists is a lost cause. They are perfectly willing to impoverish, even murder, one subset of society to give to another (or take for themselves)
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