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Old 09-29-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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This idea is absolutely awful. Tax the EV vehicles, but that would dissuade some people from purchasing one. So instead let's tax everyone for their mileage. Sorry, kiddos not visiting grandma and grandpa....costs too much. Sorry kiddos no vacation this year.....too many miles. Sorry not going to practice this week.....drove too many miles last week and need to cut down. This is idiotic. And with the wonderful GPS tech I can't foresee any problems here. "Sorry sir your GPS said you drove 300,000 miles last quarter and there's nothing we can do about it."

On the other hand if they get rid of gasoline taxes and use that same rate it's not all that bad. Use .18/$100 for taxes, assume 12 gallons of gas per tank. That works out to $2.16 in taxes per tank. I get about 450 miles per tank on highway driving so about .0048/$100 per mile. Even driving 20,000 miles/year the tax bill would be $96. Of course it will cost them more each quarter to send out the bill, hire people, process the bills, maintain the website. So I figure for each $1.00 in tax money they collect they'll be putting out 10x that amount. Makes sense to me.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:24 AM
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How will they know how many miles we drive?

I actually participated in a "test" mileage program in Washington state. You plug in a government owned GPS unit into the BCDC ?? port in your vehicle. It is the same port your mechanic plugs into to check the electronics in your car.


Your insurance company, Alphabet, Verizon, and a host of others already know how many miles you drive. Plus they already know HOW WELL you drive!!!



They just track your phone. It doesn't matter if it is in airplane mode or off.



You can easily fix that by using a Faraday cage while driving or switch to a landline phone.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:25 AM
 
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Remember when Joe said no one earning less than $400,000 will pay more taxes?

Guess what, he lied.
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"American drivers could soon trade paying taxes on gas at the pump for owing the government annual 'per-mile user fees,' under a new pilot program recently passed by the Senate in Joe Biden's $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure deal.

The bill passed a Senate vote on Tuesday and will go on to the House of Representatives.

The massive deal puts $125 million toward exploring the possibility of a federal vehicle miles traveled tax (VMT) by funding the launch of federal, state and local VMT pilot programs.

It gives Transport Secretary Pete Buttigieg the ability to award grants to local and regional entities 'to carry out pilot projects' of the VMT tax.

Both everyday drivers and commercial freight drivers from all 50 states, DC and Puerto Rico would have to be enrolled in the voluntary program, the bill text reads".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...eal/ar-AAN9xak
Oh come on we all know cheap oil won’t last forever. That said, a federal gas tax would make more sense than a VMT tax.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:27 AM
 
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Oh come on we all know cheap oil won’t last forever...
Then the market will eventually pivot away from oil. Still doesn't justify another bloated, inefficient, invasive government bureaucracy, another tax to pay for it, and more regulation and red tape.

The Federal Government is a cancer on this country's economy at this point.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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The cleanest way to do this would be to have higher registration/license renewal fees on EVs and hybrids as a couple states already do. As such it likely won't be adopted because it's not convoluted enough.
This really makes sense. And you're right, since it makes sense, the government would never do it.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:43 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The cleanest way to do this actually is to get rid of the gas tax, and collect tolls on the interstate highway system.
What about all the other roads in every state? That's where the bulk of highway maintenance money goes.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:45 AM
 
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What about all the other roads in every state? That's where the bulk of highway maintenance money goes.
The state can use registration fees for that. The Federal Government needs to stop maintaining local roads that are none of their business.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:51 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The state can use registration fees for that. The Federal Government needs to stop maintaining local roads that are none of their business.
States typically also own maintain the Interstates. The federal gas tax goes to new construction of Interstates and some bridges. Some money is a pass through to the states for roads (that's why so many streets get rebuilt with bike lanes and sidewalks, that's a federal requirement for the grants).

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question6
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Old 09-29-2021, 11:21 AM
 
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A few years ago the Wisconsin Secretary of State reviewed possible ways to deal with the lost of gas tax revenues with electric and hybrid cars.

They looked at mileage. The big issues were implementation and out of state driving.

They looked at toll roads but those would have to be approved by the federal government and it would be illegal to only put them at the state line

In the end, they chose the simplest solution of raising registration fees.
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Old 09-29-2021, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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In case anyone hasn't done the math yet, if you have a vehicle which gets 30mpg, you'll be paying an estimated $2.40 per gallon on top of the $0.184 per gallon federal tax and however much your state tax is which are built into the retail price.

So that $3.50 gallon of gas would cost you an estimated $5.90 when all was said and done. Hope you have a short commute.
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