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Old 09-29-2021, 10:29 AM
 
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The money for public schools comes from taxpayers, which include parents. Many of us who have never had children, or no longer raise children, continue to pay to educate the children of the society. I don't believe that parents should dictate curriculum. There are way to many diverging opinions. Citizens (to include parents) elect school board members to advocate for them and the students. You make yourself heard that way and help to shape curriculum based on the type of education society wants its population to have.
And we the non-parents shouldn't have to pay for schools that we don't use or don't intend to use. And school taxes should be refunded or your property taxes reduced by the amount going to schools if your children are in private school or are homeschooled.

Once that change is made, the parents can do what they want with the schools. It's their money at that point, and no one else's, after all.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:30 AM
 
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Hello? “Public” school means parents do not pick and choose what is in the curriculum - teachers do. A dissenting parent has to pull the kid out of school and homeschool. This is not a new thing.
I am going to take a guess that you either don't have kids or haven't had kids in schools for years.

Teachers DO NOT get to pick and chose what is taught. They have a curriculum that has been "approved" by school boards and State Education Departments. If they vary from that they can get in serious trouble. Although how much trouble they get in really depends on their political leanings.

Good school boards listen to parents and while the parents may not agree in totality, there is often some "give and take". However the "Hard Core", generally more Liberal, School Boards they don't care what the parents say...they push whatever agenda they want. Unfortunately, it is the parents very often who put these people in that power and if this is to change parents need to be more proactive.

However, as you pointed out many have taken the "Home School" Route which is very effective and hated by the Teachers Unions because it takes away their funding.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:30 AM
 
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And we the non-parents shouldn't have to pay for schools that we don't use or don't intend to use.

Once that change is made, the parents can do what they want with the schools. It's their money at that point, and no one else's, after all.
That is a different discussion altogether.
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Old 09-29-2021, 10:33 AM
 
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That is a different discussion altogether.
It really isn't. Anyone paying for the schools gets a say in how their money is spent by their fiduciaries. Parents are a subset of that group. If the school board wants to do whatever it wants, give me my money back and fund the schools yourselves.
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Old 09-29-2021, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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I am going to take a guess that you either don't have kids or haven't had kids in schools for years.

Teachers DO NOT get to pick and chose what is taught. They have a curriculum that has been "approved" by school boards and State Education Departments. If they vary from that they can get in serious trouble. Although how much trouble they get in really depends on their political leanings.

Good school boards listen to parents and while the parents may not agree in totality, there is often some "give and take". However the "Hard Core", generally more Liberal, School Boards they don't care what the parents say...they push whatever agenda they want. Unfortunately, it is the parents very often who put these people in that power and if this is to change parents need to be more proactive.

However, as you pointed out many have taken the "Home School" Route which is very effective and hated by the Teachers Unions because it takes away their funding.

Belling has mentioned on his show that school boards no longer see themselves as representing the parents but rather representing the school administration, and therein lies the problem. That's why it's up to parents to vote progressive school board members peddling ideas and policies the parents object to out of their positions, or recall them, to make sure they represent the will of the parents, and not a bunch of corrupt administrators or marxist equity peddlers.
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Old 09-29-2021, 11:23 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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The money for public schools comes from taxpayers, which include parents. Many of us who have never had children, or no longer raise children, continue to pay to educate the children of the society. I don't believe that parents should dictate curriculum. There are way to many diverging opinions. Citizens (to include parents) elect school board members to advocate for them and the students. You make yourself heard that way and help to shape curriculum based on the type of education society wants its population to have.
It would be impossible to make an informed choice in voting if no one is allowed to know what children are being taught. Voting without knowing ["what's in it"] is a horrible idea.
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Old 09-29-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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If people don't like what they are paying for through taxes, they should have the right to vote the people responsible for their dissatisfaction out of office, no matter how they got there. And in the case of appointed positions, they should be able to vote those people responsible for the appointments out of office. Unfortunately, however, most people don't care enough to look at the voting records when it comes to anything but state and national elections.


And btw, with very few exceptions, my opinion is that the majority of eligible voters in each state should decide about most major issues regarding their personal lives and the lives of their children. Of course, the majority deciding an issue is more of a direct democracy government than it is a republic or a democratic republic form of government -- but maybe if our representatives no longer vote according to how the majority of those they represent want them to vote, maybe it is time to rethink this entire concept and return power to the people (the majority of people) in all cases involving personal rights.

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Old 09-29-2021, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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The majority of my $14K+ tax bill goes toward public schools. Like hell I don't have a say in what's taught.
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Old 09-29-2021, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Hello? “Public” school means parents do not pick and choose what is in the curriculum - teachers do. A dissenting parent has to pull the kid out of school and homeschool. This is not a new thing.
Wrong!!!. Schools are controlled locally with guidance from the PTA which is made up of PARENTS. Teachers are supposed to be delivering the curriculum agreed on by the PTA and school board which is elected. Teachers should not have ANY say in what is taught.
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Old 09-29-2021, 01:07 PM
 
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Wrong!!!. Schools are controlled locally with guidance from the PTA which is made up of PARENTS. Teachers are supposed to be delivering the curriculum agreed on by the PTA and school board which is elected. Teachers should not have ANY say in what is taught.
Not sure, but in the state of Virginia at least, the PTA doesn't get a say in what's taught. It's generally a state issue with probably some local county flavor mixed in.

I realize each state is different, but I do think the way to go is to become very active in school board elections and most people do not care about those.
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