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Old 10-02-2021, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Temple High School has over 2,000 students (2,187 in 2019), which means over 1,000 girls. Since less than 100 students participated in the protest, what do the other 1,900+ students feel? Especially the females? "Trans" rights is a very hot button issue right now, especially for youth who may or may not have the maturity to understand all the complexities of the issue. That makes it very hard for a dissenting voice, especially a female student to raise their voice because they don't want abuse from the activist kids.

In the last 40 years we have made sweeping changes to the workplace, public schools and colleges because some women felt uncomfortable by certain language, posters, policies, you name it, saying it created a hostile environment. NOW we are telling 15 year girls to just shut their bigoted, hateful mouths because they feel uncomfortable changing in a locker room with a man in there.
Pretty sure the trans person is the one with the least amount of allies here.
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Old 10-02-2021, 01:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The problem with that is no matter how he feels (there is no 'her' here), what about the girls who have to have a male watching them take a pee?
How is anyone going to watch if they have stalls?

BTW when I was in the army overseas I visited friends at another base and they had a bathroom in the barracks that was used by both sexes. The urinals were covered so they couldn't be used and everyone just used a stall. A sign was put up outside the shower area if a female was using it so the men knew to stay out.
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Old 10-02-2021, 01:59 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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How is anyone going to watch if they have stalls?

BTW when I was in the army overseas I visited friends at another base and they had a bathroom in the barracks that was used by both sexes. The urinals were covered so they couldn't be used and everyone just used a stall. A sign was put up outside the shower area if a female was using it so the men knew to stay out.
That would be a workable solution. But of course, the girls have stalls, not like the guys, so there is that. But, I would still want the girls to be canvassed and asked if it was OK with them (more of a formality really). If they generally agreed and were happy that their privacy was not going to be compromised, then yeah fine, I'd be OK with it. But it must be their choice and not just by a 51% margin. I'd want an 80% acceptance. Hey, if there's going to be no impact on their privacy then they would likely agree, I should think.

In my parts, public loos are often unisex. It's cheaper for the stores so why not. I don't like it though. It's no different to having one loo in a home with a number of guests but still, I just don't like it. But it is what is and it won't kill me.

Just a thought, considering that if this young fella was actually having a hard time due to his transgender nature then I would say good on those students for taking a stand on his behalf.
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Old 10-02-2021, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Pretty sure the trans person is the one with the least amount of allies here.

First of all, there's no such thing as a transsexual - just anatomical males trying to convince people they are actually female.
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Old 10-02-2021, 02:58 AM
 
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The only reason they are so 'accepting' of this, is because its currently the in thing to be trans, homosexual, bisexual, etc...(its popular right now).


If it wasnt so popular, you would see the students opposing it.
I concur. Most are not professionally versed to understand the biological and psychological determination to define a person as trans.
I have zero education on this medical determination. And I highly doubt these supporters (young teens) do, either.
What I can say as an observer is it's peculiar . Go study tribes and less modern cultural community's. None have trans...none have any of these ' identity crisis's . And yes in these tribes....you go where nature allows. Modesty isn't exactly a priority.
Bottom line, teens deserve to challenge the status quo. Eventually thru wisdom they'll conclude... Males are males, and females are females. It doesn't take a Dr Seuss book to come to that simplistic result.
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Old 10-02-2021, 06:18 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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As a long time educator of middle school students I will tell you it is extremely important for their emotional wellbeing that students not be forced to share locker room and bathroom facilities with people they feel are a different gender than themselves. But, that means all students, not just select students. That means the child who feels they are in the wrong body AND the child who feels they are in the right body need that, not just the student who feels their gender and biology are in conflict. I get the transgendered student WANTS to use the bathroom of their choice but that want should not be able to trump the NEED of other students to not share those facilities with someone they feel is a different gender based on them having different biology.

If the school has multiple sets of male and female facilities it is fine to designate one set as open to transgendered students or one set not open to transgendered children, depending on how many sets they have and where in the school the transgendered student needs access. However, if they only have one set the school needs to find out how many students strongly oppose sharing the facilities with someone that has different biology and decide which group will be assigned access to single user facilities as an option, based on which will be less disruptive. It almost always will be the transgendered students based on sheer numbers.

We as a society, particularly schools, have an obligation to look out for the rights of the minority, but it has to be weighed against the harm of the majority. Most times the NEEDS of both groups should be accommodated. Ideally the WANTS of both can be accommodated, but that is not always realistic. Regardless, in a public school setting at no time should the wants of one person or a small group be accommodated at the cost of the needs of others, no matter their size.
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Old 10-02-2021, 06:26 AM
 
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Another day, yet another high school student protest.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/high-scho...203600378.html
"after transgender student"

Explain to me how someone can REALLY change the sex.

If you have penis, you are MALE.

If you have a vagina, you are a FEMALE.

I don't care what you THINK, NOTHING has changed THAT!
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Old 10-02-2021, 06:31 AM
 
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A Texas high school saw dozens of students fill its halls on Wednesday to protest what they said was the school's decision to deny a transgender girl use of the girls' facilities, according to videos and pictures posted to social media.

Students at Temple High School were protesting in support of a 16-year-old student, a biological boy who identifies as a girl, who claimed faculty denied h̶e̶r̶ him use of the female locker room because it was for "actual girls," according to the teenager's Sept. 22 post on Instagram.

The protest occurred during the third class period, said Temple Independent School District spokeswoman Christine Parks.


As they should.
"A Texas high school saw dozens of students fill its halls on Wednesday"

"Temple High School has over 2,000 students (2,187 in 2019)"

I guess "majority rules" is out the widow.

"a biological boy who identifies as a girl," He still has penis, doesn't he!
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Old 10-02-2021, 06:34 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Calling him a her only contributes to the insanity.
co-signed.
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Old 10-02-2021, 06:44 AM
 
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"after transgender student"

Explain to me how someone can REALLY change the sex.

If you have penis, you are MALE.

If you have a vagina, you are a FEMALE.

I don't care what you THINK, NOTHING has changed THAT!
The other thing is just because someone chooses to sexually deviate from a role mentally does not show commitment. This gets more ridiculous the more you age.

If you're a 55 year old Cisgender Male that identifies as female and still have your male genitalia you clearly aren't as interested in embracing femininity.
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