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Old 10-01-2021, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
Nobody is deflecting anything. Natural immunity is valid. There is enough information out there to indicate that it is. Just consider that it wears off just like the vaccine apparently wears off after a period of time.

However this is where the rubber meets the road....

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...cid=mm7037e1_w



So if you want to increase your risk of infection five times while waiting to get your natural immunity...

And you want to increase your risk of getting hospitalized with COVID X 10 in order to get your natural immunity...

And you want to increase your risk of croaking with COVID by an order of ten in order to make your natural immunity pretty much a moot point.

Go for it.
And your little chart is for all age groups and health history and current health of the individual?

 
Old 10-01-2021, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I have my thoughts on this but don't want to get off topic. Just that my definition is to conserve, to use less of.
I agree, I should have said constitutional Conservative, otherwise the term can be misconstrued to depict a great many viewpoints
 
Old 10-01-2021, 02:51 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
Nobody is deflecting anything. Natural immunity is valid. There is enough information out there to indicate that it is. Just consider that it wears off just like the vaccine apparently wears off after a period of time.

However this is where the rubber meets the road....

So if you want to increase your risk of infection five times while waiting to get your natural immunity...

And you want to increase your risk of getting hospitalized with COVID X 10 in order to get your natural immunity...

And you want to increase your risk of croaking with COVID by an order of ten in order to make your natural immunity pretty much a moot point.

Go for it.
Give us some numbers Eddie....what exactly is the "risk" ? 90%, .0001%


With all the talk of breakthrough cases and how J&J is the worst....multiple articles but none with numbers.

Finally someone yesterday linked a study from one state that tracked which vaccine.

My risk of catching covid with J&J is ...... .3%. which is 3/10 of 1%.
That is a risk I'm willing to live with.
 
Old 10-01-2021, 02:55 PM
 
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Once again Dr. Rand Paul, my senator, is right. How did we end up with HHS Secretary with no science background?
Agreed and worse yet, why can’t any of them just be honest? I’m just like banging my head up against the wall, why can’t they just be honest about anything? Don’t they realize when they lie and look people straight in the face and they know that they know they’re lying they’re not gonna take that vaccine.

“ I never heard of the Israeli study“. Well Gee it’s only been all over the news for about six weeks. And you’re the head of the health and human services department of the entire country. OK. We believe you. And even if they hadn’t heard of it, wouldn’t it be prudent of them to learn about natural immunity? During a pandemic? Do you think.
 
Old 10-01-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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Honest politician? Do those exist?
 
Old 10-01-2021, 03:39 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Agreed and worse yet, why can’t any of them just be honest? I’m just like banging my head up against the wall, why can’t they just be honest about anything? Don’t they realize when they lie and look people straight in the face and they know that they know they’re lying they’re not gonna take that vaccine.

“ I never heard of the Israeli study“. Well Gee it’s only been all over the news for about six weeks. And you’re the head of the health and human services department of the entire country. OK. We believe you. And even if they hadn’t heard of it, wouldn’t it be prudent of them to learn about natural immunity? During a pandemic? Do you think.
He's a lawyer and politician. He wouldn't be reading medical studies.

BUT...he is the first Latino to hold the position.
 
Old 10-02-2021, 12:03 PM
 
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Is it true that his staff keeps him in the dark about decisions they make because he's such a dummy? Sounds similar to when he was in CA.

He's a diversity token for the Woke
 
Old 10-02-2021, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Honest politician? Do those exist?
Rand Paul and Thomas Massie are two of the few who are not bought and paid for sellouts.
 
Old 10-02-2021, 03:24 PM
 
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Where's the deflection? People are asking serious questions that the "I'm outraged let's attack the Capitol" crowd can't or doesn't want to answer.

In your opinion is an eye doctor an expert on infectious diseases?
What training in ophthalmology school specializes in infectious diseases?
Should medical studies be peer reviewed?
Do you think it's possible for people, both pro and anti vaccination, to skew an unreviewed study?

You can choose to deflect those questions or elaborate on how an eye doctor is somehow and infectious disease expert.
Paul does not have to be an infectious disease expert to challenge Fauci, or any specialist. Not because Paul is a US Senator, but precisely because he has medical training.

Paul's medical training involved analytical tools, such as process of elimination, review statistical data, consult specialists, and so on. These investigative/troubleshooting tools are common in all fields, even nonscientific ones such as law. But when we have leadership and policies in the mix, and as a US Senator, Rand Paul is that, then ALL of us are obligated to challenge specialists when they propose changes that affect our lives. The alternative is to live under a technocratic dictatorship where the citizenry have no voice and all decision making are opaque.

By demanding that we DO NOT challenge specialists, YOU are telling us that you believe in the concept of a benevolent dictatorship, in this case, a technocratic one. To date, Singapore is the closest to having a benevolent dictatorship under Lee Kuan Yew, and his government did things that would not pass US-style constitutional review. The other benevolent dictatorship is God.

By the way, Alexandria Occasional-Cortex was a bartender who had some economics education, but no real experience in economics policy, is big on climate change. Care to tell us what are AOC's credentials to challenge scientists who have doubts about human caused climate changes?

Last edited by Roderic; 10-02-2021 at 03:48 PM..
 
Old 10-02-2021, 03:43 PM
 
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Good for you Rand! Expose them as authoritarian and call them out for not following the science and evidence in Israel. These are the people dictating decisions regarding your health.
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