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Old 10-03-2021, 06:56 PM
 
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I’m from West Bend and Johnson is doing just fine. You must be a millennial and Evers voter.
Washington county is the most Republican of the three and Ozaukee is the least. What you see in your area may not represent the entire state. It's the only one of the three counties where Trump won over 60% of the vote. Waukesha was at 59% and Ozaukee was at 55%. Ozaukee county also had a muncipality which went for Biden, Cedarburg.

And again, you don't understand my politics. I voted for Walker. Walker was the Milwaukee county executive prior to becoming governor. He won with a solid majority at 60%. The idea of another Republican county exec in the near future is impossible. Being able to dissociate from your politics and being able to give a good analysis is an example of critical thinking.

 
Old 10-03-2021, 06:57 PM
 
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from what I read - The number of vaccinated people who get COVID-19 is smaller than the number of unvaccinated people who get COVID-19.
so for example
100 vaccinated 2 get covid 1 dies
100 unvaccinated 20 get covid 5 die

50% of vaccinated die << huge headline
hardly any of the vaccinated get covid <<< small headline

dunno where the 63% comes in
I've also seen this logic:

100 people vaccinated, 2 get hospitalized with Covid
20 people unvaccinated, 2 get hospitalized with Covid
Therefore the vaccine doesn't work.

Huh? The rate is 2% vs 10%. That's 80% effectiveness.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 07:02 PM
 
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How could he believe something that isn't based on facts and is an obvious lie. Still waiting for anyone to confirm his 63% UK deaths are vaccinated. This is obviously political, this is what the right wing republicans pray for, they want someone to say that vaccines don't work. This is not complicated to figure out.
No more complicated than figuring out those who want someone to say if you are not vaccinated you are going to die. They have almost achieved it.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 07:03 PM
 
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I've also seen this logic:

100 people vaccinated, 2 get hospitalized with Covid
20 people unvaccinated, 2 get hospitalized with Covid
Therefore the vaccine doesn't work.

Huh? The rate is 2% vs 10%. That's 80% effectiveness.
The absolute versus relative difference issue.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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As Cloverfield informed us, only 1.2% of the deaths in the first six months were fully vaccinated. Do you really think the number are going to be dramatically different in the Jan-Sept time frame?

Ron Johnson has a reputation for throwing out misinformation, and in this case he didn't cite any reference to back up his claims.
Again, as I have stated repeatedly, numbers are actually useless as long as tests are inaccurate -- and, although this is opinion, government medical experts have lost all credibility (with me, at least). And, yes, I do think that numbers can change with ACCURATE information.

You will, of course, believe what you want about Sen. Johnson, and I will do the same.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Again, as I have stated repeatedly, numbers are actually useless as long as tests are inaccurate -- and, although this is opinion, government medical experts have lost all credibility (with me, at least). And, yes, I do think that numbers can change with ACCURATE information.

You will, of course, believe what you want about Sen. Johnson, and I will do the same.
Defending Ron Johnson’s obvious lies based on his numbers while claiming numbers are useless, precious.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 09:07 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Sen. Ron Johnson on Senate floor....63% of UK Delta deaths fully vaccinated
He's talking about 117 deaths, and 50 of them were fully vaccinated.
That's not very many, and certainly not enough to influence my judgment.
https://newsrescue.com/data-fully-va...-least-a-dose/


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“There were 117 deaths among 92K Delta variant cases recorded through June 21. And 50 of those who died have received the two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine, The Wall Street Journal reported citing data from Public Health England.

Population of UK is 68.3M.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 09:31 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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Here in el paso, we had 3 cv deaths in last week, all 3 that died were fully vaxed. 35 out of 40 currently in covid icu here are fully vaxed. Source EPStrong.org.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Funny, I see Sen. Johnson quoting statistics and his source. I see others stating contrary facts, but no source. HMM.
 
Old 10-03-2021, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Why would anyone get their information from Ron Johnson, he is a nutburger.

Using Twitter as a reliable source of information, oh come on.

The dumb liberals attacking the souce so they dont have to talk about the subject matter as usual.
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