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View Poll Results: Should the United States take military action if China invades Taiwan?
yes 93 43.66%
no 120 56.34%
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Old 10-13-2021, 05:17 PM
 
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No more wars. I want Biden to appear as weak as possible by 2024.

 
Old 10-14-2021, 05:05 AM
 
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It's actually more accurate to say that the US is pushing taiwan to test China and entice China to resort to war so that the US can rally the western world and impose economic sanctions on China and stall its march to becoming the world's #1 economy (replacing the US). So you got it wrong. It's the US who s desperately trying to stop China from passing the US economy.

I personally think China has been too weak toward taiwan. So, since taiwan wants to get beaten, I think China should oblige and then deal with any whining from the west after the fact. Most Chinese support China's reunification. I am not Chinese but I can see why many Chinese are frustrated by the weakness of their government toward taiwan.
This is actually ridiculous. It's called ... stinkin' thinkin'. lol Reverse phycology only works on the weak minded and children. You're selling something without buyers.

Nice try Charlie
 
Old 10-18-2021, 04:22 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M82E3WYjXgk

recent Putin remarks. He doesn't think China wants to militarily invade Taiwan. He thinks they can achieved their objectives economically and he speaks of cooperative projects between Russia and China
How I interpret that strategy is... economic coercion and back room deals. The Ruskies and now the CCP KNOW the morally vulnerable business elites wish to protect their wealth above everything. They will eventually do a deal that bring Taiwan to it's untimely demise.

This changes if Japan (publicly) throws it's weight into the fray. If that happens, we have a problem Houston.

Japan is the key.
 
Old 10-18-2021, 04:33 PM
 
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If China thinks there is the slightest chance of a nuclear exchange they will not take the risk. Especially since it doesn't have any large deposits of natural resources to exploit. Is it really worth invading for a little extra territory?
well, it's a core Chinese interest. is it a core US interest? If China is fighting for its territorial integrity, what is the US fighting for?

China will recover taiwan. If the US wishes to interfere, then let the better win. If there's a nuke exchange , let's see what happens when the US nukes China 8 times and China nukes the US once.

Your question should really be about the reason, or lack of reason, for the US to take on China over taiwan, which was part of China under the Qing since 1689. If you take the trouble learning your history, you would know that taiwan became part of the Chinese empire, and was returned to China at the end of WWII. And since the PRC and the ROC are still officially at civil war, it's really a Chinese civil war issue. If the US wishes to interfere in a Chinese civil war, then don't blame China for fighting really hard and the US mainland is all fair game.
 
Old 10-18-2021, 04:36 PM
 
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How I interpret that strategy is... economic coercion and back room deals. The Ruskies and now the CCP KNOW the morally vulnerable business elites wish to protect their wealth above everything. They will eventually do a deal that bring Taiwan to it's untimely demise.

This changes if Japan (publicly) throws it's weight into the fray. If that happens, we have a problem Houston.

Japan is the key.
taiwan, or the ROC is an internal Chinese civil war issue. If the US, japan or anyone else interferes, then all is fair and love and war. Let's see what happens when the US nukes China 8 times and China nuke the US once. Let's see if the US is insane enough to get into a nuke exchange over taiwan with China. It's a Chinese issue, not a US issue.

The US needs to learn to mind its own business. A country like China does not need to bow down to the US over its core interest.
 
Old 10-18-2021, 04:49 PM
 
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taiwan, or the ROC is an internal Chinese civil war issue. If the US, japan or anyone else interferes, then all is fair and love and war. Let's see what happens when the US nukes China 8 times and China nuke the US once. Let's see if the US is insane enough to get into a nuke exchange over taiwan with China. It's a Chinese issue, not a US issue.

The US needs to learn to mind its own business. A country like China does not need to bow down to the US over its core interest.
First off... there is no civil war. No fighting since the late 40's. The only nation that has OPENLY stated they would use nuclear weapons is the CCP. Do your own research. The US will NOT use nukes... unless China OR North Korea use them first against Japan. Ultimately Japan is the end game.

We have no 'treaty' with Taiwan. We DO have a DEFENCE Treaty with Japan. I have outlined multiple scenarios that I believe could/might/possibly occur.

It seems to me you have a poor understanding of the dynamics at hand.
 
Old 10-18-2021, 05:06 PM
 
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With Biden's judgement it's scary that he has his pulse on the nuclear football.
 
Old 10-18-2021, 05:46 PM
 
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Now that China has hyper speed nukes we don't stand a chance lance.
 
Old 10-18-2021, 11:18 PM
 
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Now that China has hyper speed nukes we don't stand a chance lance.
First, a prototype and deployed are two different things.


Second, the main disadvantage to the hyperspeed missiles is that they need to be in the outer atmosphere in order to reach those speeds. This means a longer initial phase to reach those altitudes and therefore longer periods to be intercepted by sub based SM3's or? Then, the terminal phase is slower than traditional missiles, although less predictable.
 
Old 10-19-2021, 05:18 AM
 
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First, a prototype and deployed are two different things.


Second, the main disadvantage to the hyperspeed missiles is that they need to be in the outer atmosphere in order to reach those speeds. This means a longer initial phase to reach those altitudes and therefore longer periods to be intercepted by sub based SM3's or? Then, the terminal phase is slower than traditional missiles, although less predictable.
These can do it lower. 3200 mph.
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