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As a retired Army Senior NCO, this doesn’t surprise me one bit. The Generals have circled their wagons for defense against questioning since if you’re not a Flag Officer, you are not allowed to question them or their efforts to please Far Left by pushing WOKE-ISM onto the force.
LTC Scheller knew the consequences of his actions and that the whole political power of USMC, as well as the DoD will be brought against him.
I seriously doubt that he will be sent to a military prison, but I see them reducing him from an O-5 LTC down to an O-4 MAJ or in the worst case, an O-3 CPT. Honestly, I hope that they will just stick him in some closet counting paperclip or driving around post housing tell people to pick up their dog’s ***** for the next 2.5 years and push him out once he hits his 20 years. He will never be in command of anything again and his evaluation reports will be so low that they will have to create a new OER, to document this.
What this LTC has going for him is that he has a set of King Size gorilla ballz and this is what scares any and all Generals and Admirals. He is a hero to the Warrior Class, not the clerks or support staff, but to all the Marines and Soldiers who’s day to day job is to close in and kill the enemies of the US. The Warrior Class within the Marines and Army see him as a true LEADER and if the powers to be destroys him the Warrior Class will start to question why should they listen to and possibly die for the likes of Milley and our clueless president.
I’m Army Green inside/out, but when the powers to be threatens a Patriotic Marine or an Army Soldier for asking a legitimate question, especially after American Warriors die, due to the poorest possible Senior leadership AND incompetence from the top.
By hammering this LTC, more of the better officers and non commissioned officers will leave the military and seek out civilian careers.
As a leader in any size combat unit, the worst thing that can happen to you is when your men and women die in battle, due the incompetence from the senior leaders above you. You end up carrying that guilt to the grave with you.
Hmm…a soldier or marine that questions his orders is worthless.
Military is not a democracy they have their rules don't sign up if you don't like it. He knew what he was doing this isn't anything new Generals making mistakes and not taking any responsibility for it? The fact that we had been in Afghanistan for 20 years with zero progress shows how the Generals were just blowing smoke. Generals when they retire they go directly to work for defense contractors not a surprise they always embellished their progress.
Military is not a democracy they have their rules don't sign up if you don't like it. He knew what he was doing this isn't anything new Generals making mistakes and not taking any responsibility for it? The fact that we had been in Afghanistan for 20 years with zero progress shows how the Generals were just blowing smoke. Generals when they retire they go directly to work for defense contractors not a surprise they always embellished their progress.
So, if ordered to kill unarmed civilians, Its ok because you are just following orders huh? And you are obligated because "Military is not a democracy they have their rules don't sign up if you don't like it."
Got it...
I wonder if the drone pilot that killed that family of 10 KNEW it and said nothing because they are not allowed to question orders...
No its called lawful orders and No you can not be compelled to follow an unlawful order.
For example: General Snuffy orders LTC Krass and his soldiers to open fire on Orphans having a Kite flying contest.
That would be an unlawful order.
What the LTC was obligated to do was follow the chain of command.
When the chain of command is the system itself (Biden, Milley, SoD), there is nowhere else to go beside from social media which got him in trouble because the “system” put him in a gag order
Hmm…a soldier or marine that questions his orders is worthless.
Did you encourage your people to question you?
This veteran would like to know.
Well, if you’re a veteran, especially if you serve in a Combat Arms unit and never questioned orders, that type of person is beyond worthless since they lack the ability to adapt to the ever changing conditions of the battle or take the initiative to flow and flex with the enemy WITHOUT being told to do so by their superiors. These are the guys that will sit there waiting to be told what to do since they trained themselves to blindly follow the LAST GIVEN orders without exception… They’re often the type of leader that’s afraid of receiving a “negative” OER or NCOER.
I don’t know if you’re a veteran of the Air Force, Coast Guard, Space Force or most of the Navy, or if ever served in combat AND being “boots on the ground,” a LEADER leads and doesn’t wait to be led.
Btw, Soldiers and Marines that question bad or out dated orders and/or acted without orders have won battles. Yes, it’s both a blessing and a curse, but it works. Also, the Army doesn’t want a bunch of braindead robots, especially in a time of war. Our former Cold War enemy, the former Soviet Union, acknowledged that this was one of their greatest concerns if they had to fight the Americans since our grunts, (Infantry, Tankers, Scouts…) don’t follow orders blindly and will continue to fight and “adjust on the fly” when their leadership is killed off. The former Soviets where so “conditioned” not to question orders, that if you killed off their platoon sergeants/leaders and Company commanders, that unit will stop in its tracks until somebody tells them what to do next.
Also, this is why the Israeli Army is able to beat off superior enemy forces, attacking in multiple fronts.
Real Warriors don’t do well in a peacetime/garrison military since politics are now the priority. This LTC is a warrior with high standards and expects the same from the top to the bottom. This is what got him into trouble. Believe it or not, the Army and Marines NEEDS people like this since they win battles!!
Not knocking the Air Force, Coast Guard, Space Force or most of the Navy, but their mindset is totally different when it comes to fighting since their style of fighting is totally different, which is fully understandable. Fighting with an Air Craft Carrier is different than fighting on foot, in a city. Very few of their members are expected to actually fight, let alone, fight in a hand to hand combat situation with bayonets, pick axes, e-tools, an empty ammo cans, even rocks or whatever they can get their hands on to kill another human being.
Speaking up in truth to a serious matter should be respected. If Milley and Austin can't respect that and own it, they can only go on deceiving themselves, and everything they do from that point forward is at everyone else's expense, starting with Lt. Col. Scheller, because their image and ego's are more important to them, than the people who serve under them. And at that point it isn't about getting things right, it is about their position over others. Which defeats the purpose of leadership.
I know of a King who messed up royally. When he was confronted with it, he owned it and faced up to the consequences. Which was redeeming for him. One day he was riding along on his horse with his top general and some troops, and some citizens were hurling insults at him. The general asked the King if they should wipe them out, and he said "no" they are giving me what I deserve. He owned it rather than the other alternative which would have been killing his own people, in service of his own image and ego. A great leader isn't only defined by their successes, but in how they handle failure and learn from it going forward. Because that is what shows what they are made of and who they serve...the people they have been given responsibility over. Everybody loses when they enter the realm of serving their own image and ego above all.
So, if ordered to kill unarmed civilians, Its ok because you are just following orders huh? And you are obligated because "Military is not a democracy they have their rules don't sign up if you don't like it."
Got it...
I wonder if the drone pilot that killed that family of 10 KNEW it and said nothing because they are not allowed to question orders...
Was he ordered to kill unarmed civilians no? He was told not to go on social media and make statements so no he doesn't have the freedom of speech to make videos on social media.
First of all he wasn't ordered to kill unarmed civilians of course an illegal order like that he doesn't have to follow. He went on social media because he was angry about his leadership's decisions above him. Also there are laws that would allow him to report illegal orders he received up the chain of command.
He also said he doesn't want anything to do with Trump he not a supporter of Trump. He doesn't want any special treatment he fully expects to be released from the military without his retirement. He decided didn't like what he was seeing and wanted out this is how he did it.
Was he ordered to kill unarmed civilians no? He was told not to go on social media and make statements so no he doesn't have the freedom of speech to make videos on social media.
First of all he wasn't ordered to kill unarmed civilians of course an illegal order like that he doesn't have to follow. He went on social media because he was angry about his leadership's decisions above him. Also there are laws that would allow him to report illegal orders he received up the chain of command.
He also said he doesn't want anything to do with Trump he not a supporter of Trump. He doesn't want any special treatment he fully expects to be released from the military without his retirement. He decided didn't like what he was seeing and wanted out this is how he did it.
Milley gave input to several books being written, and breaking the chain of command. Where he spoke of his personal power and control over things. And as of yet, has faced no consequences.
Lt. Col. Scheller knew the consequences of his actions and accepted them. And his message wasn't a self serving message. The question is how far they will go with punishment. And how broad will the double standard be.
Being a Lt. Col. is a difficult position, because you are the man in the middle. And actually being in combat with the people you are leading, and have to be answerable to them and answerable to your Generals who sit in D.C., of who it appears in this case as if they are answerable to no one.
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