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When we talk about efficacy of polio vaccines, we talk about how many people are immune (eg the vaccine provided sterilizing immunity).
When we talk about efficacy of COVID vaccines, we talk about preventing hospitalizations. They won't even touch sterilizing immunity with a 15ft pole as these vaccines don't provide it.
1. Even if Covid vaccines were only good for preventing hospitalizations and deaths that would be more than a good reason to use them, obviously. Especially considering that nothing else has worked nearly as well in this respect.
2. Polio vaccine does not provide sterilizing immunity. Same for many other vaccines.
3. Actually, strictly speaking a "true sterilizing" immunity is impossible to prove for any vaccine, at least not in vivo. As tools and techniques evolve, you can move the detection limit but not to zero. It becomes more of question even if small number of replications happen, is it clinically meaningful.
1. Even if Covid vaccines were only good for preventing hospitalizations and deaths that would be more than a good reason to use them, obviously. Especially considering that nothing else has worked nearly as well in this respect.
2. Polio vaccine does not provide sterilizing immunity. Same for many other vaccines.
3. Actually, strictly speaking a "true sterilizing" immunity is impossible to prove for any vaccine, at least not in vivo. As tools and techniques evolve, you can move the detection limit but not to zero. It becomes more of question even if small number of replications happen, is it clinically meaningful.
There are actually two polio vaccines and one does prevent infection, not just disease. I get point 3, but it's a classic paradox of measuring '0.'
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Efforts to arrest the spread of polio provide additional insight into the complexity of stopping an epidemic. The two main categories of inoculations against polioviruses confer different types of immunity. The inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) protects against systemic infection and consequent paralysis but does not stop viral replication in the gut, so it offers no indirect protection to unvaccinated individuals. The oral polio vaccine (OPV) generates localized intestinal immunity, preventing infection and protecting against disease and transmission.
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Although many vaccines widely used today (against measles, for example) produce very effective sterilizing immunity
He seems otherwise healthy and he got the monoclonal antibodies. I think he will be alright. Obviously he isn’t against the vaccine for everyone. He wants a choice. All you guys do every time you gleefully report every Republican Covid case is prove how ridiculous it is to gloat over illness. Do you ever stop to think about how you sound?
Powered by hate and ignorance. Yet we still see True Believers driving alone, in closed cars, or jogging alone, all masked up so the boogie man can't get them.
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So what? Lots of us didn’t get the vaccine. We got Covid and recovered. Most folks that get it recover just fine. Still ain’t getting the vaccine. Never will get it. Just like the flu shot. Didn’t get it either. Still get the flu. Always recover. Survived a plane crash. Still flying. You folks live with this fear inside you so much it keeps you from living life.
BINGO. Yet the thinkpol want to deny treatment or hospitalization for those who don't practice goodthink.
I don’t get the twisted pretzel logic from the MAGAs.
We have a vaccine spearheaded by Trump who also took the vaccine. Not perfect but a tool in the toolbox.
We have a treatment taken by Trump and many others that also isn’t perfect but works well. Another tool in the toolbox.
Both funded by big pharma.
We don’t know the long term effects of either. Yet one is bad and the other good. In order to get the “good” one you have to get sick.. The “bad” one, besides being much cheaper, doesn’t require you to be sick. True, you may be ill a day or so and we know this because of the multi millions of folks worldwide who gotten vaccine.Isn’t that a better outcome than being hospitalized?
I think there is some kind of MAGA/Q hybrid thinking going around.
The fact in saying anyone who is a "MAGA" is using twisted logic not only confirms you don't get it, but you don't want to try to understand it.
Of course for you to believe this you would have to believe that it is only MAGAs who aren't getting the vaccine, which has been shown to not be correct. As there are several specific groups that traditionally vote democrat who are at the lower ends of the vaccination rates. Even BLM came out against vaccine mandates as being disproportionately negative to Blacks
It is refreshing to hear someone who appears more in favor of vaccines actually admit that we don't know the long-term effects, as usually a statement like that is summarily dismissed as "Junk Science". You are right we don't know the long-term effects of either of these treatments and yes they are both "big pharma". But it is not about one good, one bad. It is about people making the CHOICE as to which way they want to go based on their own research and decisions they are making about their health care. To many the unknowns of the vaccine does not make it a valid choice for them.
This is what the people pushing the vaccine seem to not understand. They can's seem to figure why people won't just do what they are told to do without question. They don't want a person to make the choice. Of course, this is the same group that says having to get the vaccine so that a person can provide for their family is still a choice..so go figure.
It's Trump's vaccine, but they will be obstinate in order to spite Biden and the "liberals". Had Trump been re-elected they'd have already rolled up their sleeves. Idiots.
Nope, we don’t roll up our sleeves because the government says so, only if we decide to. Spite has nothing to do with it.
I know, mandating them and getting around states who refuse to mandate the vaccine to use osha to penalize businesses who refuse to force their employees to vaccinate to keep their jobs.
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