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Old 10-12-2021, 09:50 AM
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Location: ^##
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I understand the whole "consequences" thing, but it still doesn't sit well with me.
There is a lot of hypocrisy involved.
I could point out offensive things other celebrities say and pretty much get prizes for saying them. They just offend the correct crowd so I guess it's okay.
Sure, they have the legal right to play the PC and cancel culture games, but that doesn't make it right. Not sure I'd try to pass a law against it. These things will just have to sort themselves out naturally.
But, this is about the NFL, who doesn't exactly occupy the moral high ground to begin with. They have the right to run their business how they see fit, but I have the right to stand back and gaze at the silliness of it all.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:57 AM
 
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I understand the whole "consequences" thing, but it still doesn't sit well with me.
There is a lot of hypocrisy involved.
I could point out offensive things other celebrities say and pretty much get prizes for saying them. They just offend the correct crowd so I guess it's okay.
Sure, they have the legal right to play the PC and cancel culture games, but that doesn't make it right. Not sure I'd try to pass a law against it. These things will just have to sort themselves out naturally.
But, this is about the NFL, who doesn't exactly occupy the moral high ground to begin with. They have the right to run their business how they see fit, but I have the right to stand back and gaze at the silliness of it all.
Ever hear the saying "two wrongs don't make a right". Feel free to point out whatever hypocrisies you like....it still doesn't make it right.

You can certainly gaze at the silliness, or you can go one step beyond that and just simply stop watching all the NFL games. Of course, I can't tell you how many people I've heard say that one before (I've also heard the same thing with Major League baseball). And everyone I know that made that comment, were back watching both sports within months.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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I understand the whole "consequences" thing, but it still doesn't sit well with me.
There is a lot of hypocrisy involved.
I could point out offensive things other celebrities say and pretty much get prizes for saying them. They just offend the correct crowd so I guess it's okay.
Sure, they have the legal right to play the PC and cancel culture games, but that doesn't make it right. Not sure I'd try to pass a law against it. These things will just have to sort themselves out naturally.
But, this is about the NFL, who doesn't exactly occupy the moral high ground to begin with. They have the right to run their business how they see fit, but I have the right to stand back and gaze at the silliness of it all.
Gruden resigned.
Not arrested or jailed. No law was involved.
This is exactly what sorting themselves out naturally looks like. A business decision by a private business who decided he was more negative than positive for their organization.
Running their business how they see fit.

Gaze away.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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BS- he complained to the GM that he neutered his defense with the trade.
"Oakland Raiders coach Jon Gruden attempted to explain the trade of Khalil Mack Monday by putting the blame on the player, via NFL on ESPN"
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:07 AM
 
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Gruden is not a victim.

He has a history of doing this. He made it uncomfortable in the locker room.

I knew long ago - when he was coaching Tampa Bay - there was something underneath that smirk….and it was not good.

There is no defending this.

Now get rid of Urban Meyer.
What's wrong with Urban Meyer?
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There have certainly been players who have been suspended or are no longer in the league for partner or children abuse (the most notable being Ray Rice).
That had more to do with his 3.1 yards per attempt his last year. If he could still run he'd have a job.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:20 AM
 
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That had more to do with his 3.1 yards per attempt his last year. If he could still run he'd have a job.
Uh huh, says you. And I say after the egregious act he committed, he would never play in the NFL again. And he has not.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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I understand the whole "consequences" thing, but it still doesn't sit well with me.
There is a lot of hypocrisy involved.
I could point out offensive things other celebrities say and pretty much get prizes for saying them. They just offend the correct crowd so I guess it's okay.
Sure, they have the legal right to play the PC and cancel culture games, but that doesn't make it right. Not sure I'd try to pass a law against it. These things will just have to sort themselves out naturally.
But, this is about the NFL, who doesn't exactly occupy the moral high ground to begin with. They have the right to run their business how they see fit, but I have the right to stand back and gaze at the silliness of it all.
There absolutely are plenty of people who have said/done stupid things and haven't faced much in the way of consequences. That's a problem. But a bigger problem is that people seem to have lost the ability to look at each situation individually. If you were to look at this situation individually rather than lumped in with any any/all perceived instance of "cancel culture" or "wokeism," it'd be pretty easy to see that Gruden dug his own grave here. The derogatory language he used will undoubtedly get the media spotlight here in 2021, but the bigger issue from a strictly business standpoint is that said a lot of things that undermine his ability to perform his job and unnecessarily put the organization at a disadvantage in terms of player recruitment/retention, treatment by league leadership, treatment by officials, etc. If your actions put your company at a recruitment disadvantage and put you in a bad position with the powers that be, you're likely going to get fired. That's what happened here.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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There absolutely are plenty of people who have said/done stupid things and haven't faced much in the way of consequences. That's a problem. But a bigger problem is that people seem to have lost the ability to look at each situation individually. If you were to look at this situation individually rather than lumped in with any any/all perceived instance of "cancel culture" or "wokeism," it'd be pretty easy to see that Gruden dug his own grave here. The derogatory language he used will undoubtedly get the media spotlight here in 2021, but the bigger issue from a strictly business standpoint is that said a lot of things that undermine his ability to perform his job and unnecessarily put the organization at a disadvantage in terms of player recruitment/retention, treatment by league leadership, treatment by officials, etc. If your actions put your company at a recruitment disadvantage and put you in a bad position with the powers that be, you're likely going to get fired. That's what happened here.


Can't rep you again.

This was a business decision.

Free market and all that.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:26 AM
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Ever hear the saying "two wrongs don't make a right". Feel free to point out whatever hypocrisies you like....it still doesn't make it right.

You can certainly gaze at the silliness, or you can go one step beyond that and just simply stop watching all the NFL games. Of course, I can't tell you how many people I've heard say that one before (I've also heard the same thing with Major League baseball). And everyone I know that made that comment, were back watching both sports within months.
I would agree. Two wrongs don't make a right.
However, we're all just shooting the breeze so to speak.
As a Chiefs fan, I'm intrigued by all this. Me not watching the games has more to do with the Pop Warner-esque defense more than anything else.
Plus, I no longer live in the viewing area and am unwilling to pay to watch so maybe I am boycotting to some degree.
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