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Old 10-26-2021, 02:29 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Ok, so Biden can't get his own party in line to make a temporary change in CA to help the country out as he tanks in the polls and is a drag on the midterms if it continues?

You then bring up states rights....which isn't the point as to why they are giving Biden the finger.
Suggesting that the Fed Gov "make" California do something is absolutely a states rights issue.

I have no idea what Biden could or couldn't get "his own party" to do, nor do I care. It's irrelevant. Does Newsome care about federal mid-term elections? If he does, should he care more about that than the wishes of his own constituency?

I would like to think if it was asked of any governor, they would at least consider a moritorium on a state law that was exacerbating a national issue. I just don't think they are required to.
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:01 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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So, the BLS calculation and safety net requirments weren't an issue prior, but they both are now.

Because?
Because every restaurant and store has help wanted signs in their windows. Because employers all over the spectrum are saying they cant find workers. Because companies are offering wages much higher than they were offering before the pandemic. Hell, even in my profession, we cant find young people who are willing to take call-taking jobs. We are offering $150k sign on bonus for anyone willing to commit to 2 years at a very competitive salary. You can't tell me that this isn't something that you see in your life. The paradigm has changed, so other things have to adapt to it.
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:12 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Because every restaurant and store has help wanted signs in their windows. Because employers all over the spectrum are saying they cant find workers. Because companies are offering wages much higher than they were offering before the pandemic. Hell, even in my profession, we cant find young people who are willing to take call-taking jobs. We are offering $150k sign on bonus for anyone willing to commit to 2 years at a very competitive salary. You can't tell me that this isn't something that you see in your life. The paradigm has changed, so other things have to adapt to it.
I work in IT, my company isn't seeing a shortage of workers. My wife works in real estate management, they aren't having trouble hiring.

Yes, some of my local restaurants need bodies. I just don't see this as something the fed gov needs to "fix". We can agree to disagree.

What changed from pre-pandemic? Rents, groceries, etc, have all gone up. People still need money to live. The people who were working those jobs are almost certainly earning money somewhere. MI unemployment maxes out at $1450/mo. Don't tell me people quit/lost $30K+/yr jobs and are now sitting home for $17K/yr in unemployment. They didn't all move back in with their parents.

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Old 10-26-2021, 03:32 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I work in IT, my company isn't seeing a shortage of workers.

Yes, some of my local restaurants need bodies. I just don't see this as something the fed gov needs to "fix". We can agree to disagree.

What changed from pre-pandemic? Rents, groceries, etc, have all gone up. People still need money to live. The people who were working those jobs are almost certainly earning money somewhere. MI unemployment maxes out at $1450/mo. Don't tell me people quit/lost $30K+/yr jobs and are now sitting home for $17K/yr in unemployment. They didn't all move back in with their parents.
Well, at least we can agree that the price of everything has gone up at a more rapid rate than we are used to seeing. Can we also agree that the sharp rise in wages is not unrelated, regardless of the reason for the sharp rise in wages? And that this is leading to an increased demand during a time of decreased supply? In other words, inflation? From both ends of the spectrum?
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:40 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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And what are your feelings on the natural gas shortage we are seeing? We are all about to see a sharp rise in energy prices this winter. And since we are the global supplier of natural gas, the only remedy would be to relax environmental restrictions here at home. That would be a way that the Biden administration could aid in easing some of the inflation we are seeing. Unfortunately, I dont think that is something he will do for fear of pissing off the far left progressive wing.
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Old 10-26-2021, 04:17 PM
 
Location: USA
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The data does lie. It does so by a lie of omission. The headline BLS rate doesn't include people who are not actively looking for work. The BLS U-6 rate does include these people, and that is around 8 or 9 percent. Then there is the LISEP number, which also includes people earning under $20k, mostly doing gig jobs here and there, and the number rises to a whopping 23%.
If you want to use the U6 or LISEP that is fine. How do those numbers compare to what they were before the pandemic? That is the real question. Has there been a surge in the number of people not looking for work? If so, is all of the increase due to the Evil Socialist Handouts?
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Old 10-27-2021, 06:32 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Well, at least we can agree that the price of everything has gone up at a more rapid rate than we are used to seeing. Can we also agree that the sharp rise in wages is not unrelated, regardless of the reason for the sharp rise in wages? And that this is leading to an increased demand during a time of decreased supply? In other words, inflation? From both ends of the spectrum?
Yep, once in a millenium global health crises have profound impacts on the world. Who would have thought?
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Old 10-27-2021, 06:33 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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And what are your feelings on the natural gas shortage we are seeing? We are all about to see a sharp rise in energy prices this winter. And since we are the global supplier of natural gas, the only remedy would be to relax environmental restrictions here at home. That would be a way that the Biden administration could aid in easing some of the inflation we are seeing. Unfortunately, I dont think that is something he will do for fear of pissing off the far left progressive wing.
"Screw the environment, we want cheaper gas." is not a terribly compelling argument, I'm afraid. Especially when the inflation is almost certainly temporary.
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