Just When Do The Rich Say: It's Time To Raise Our Taxes (weapon, Reid)

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by odinloki1

The rich might yank their heads out of their asses when they see the guillotenes and the pitchforks sharpening.

History shows that when inequality goes too far violent events happen.

This is why FDR is by far the greatest president. By improving the safety net and providing jobs when the private sector failed he prevented a descent into communism or fascism like other countries did at that time.

the fascist FDR is NOT the greatest president

[odinloki1]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

the fascist FDR is NOT the greatest president

Disagree. Unlike Lincoln he saw a crisis forming in other parts around the world and he prevented America from following the same fate.

He and his administration set up stability and a more widespread prosperity that endured for decades. No other president did that

Please explain how he was a fascist.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by odinloki1

Disagree. Unlike Lincoln he saw a crisis forming in other parts around the world and he prevented America from following the same fate.

He and his administration set up stability and a more widespread prosperity that endured for decades. No other president did that

Please explain how he was a fascist.

F.D. Roosevelt, found in Mussolini's policies part of his inspiration for the semi-socialist "New Deal" and referred to Mussolini in 1933 as "that admirable Italian gentleman". Mussolini was plausible to an amazingly wide range of people -- not the least to the people of Italy.



In a laudatory review of Roosevelt's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, "Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism."

""""Stalin is my "brother".."""" - FDR after Tehran

FDR gave a speech in Troy, NY, 3 March 1912, in which he laid out his philosophy - he(FDR) placed the "liberty of the community" over "the liberty of the individual."

As early as 1912, FDR himself praised the Prussian-German model: “They passed beyond the liberty of the individual to do as he pleased with his own property and found it necessary to check this liberty for the benefit of the freedom of the whole people,” he said in an address to the People’s Forum of Troy, New York.

"The Russian newspapers during the last election (1932) published the photograph of Franklin D. Roosevelt over the caption 'the first communistic President of the United States'." -- Senator Thomas D. Schall

Stalin called FDR in Dec 1933, "a decided and courageous leader." In 1934 he praised FDR's "initiative, courage and determination".


FDR defined Freedom of Religion as Stalin did.

FDR defined Freedom of Speech as Stalin did, i.e. he used the Marxist formulation 'Freedom of Information' in his speeches.

FDR pressed a bill to eliminate the right to bear arms, the guarantee of all others.

FDR told Churchill that "an unwritten Constitution is better than a written one." When reminded there was the Constitution, FDR said after his 1936 inauguration "Yes, but it's the Constitution as I understand it - flexible enough (to do what he wanted)." .......( much like Obama also stated) ....He admiringly told Churchill that Stalin didn't have to worry about Congresses and Parliaments, "he's the whole works." In a letter to a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, FDR wrote- " I hope your committee will not permit doubt as to Constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the suggested legislation." FDR did not believe in Constitutional checks and balances - he tried to destroy and was prepared to defy the Supreme Court and Congress. He did not believe in advise and consent or the rule of law - he waged war and made treaties without Congressional approval. He did not believe in representative democracy and often said that since Congress did not reflect the will of the people they should be ignored.


Probably the best exposition of FDR's procedures regarding the rule of law vs the rule of men was said by his top deputy, KGB agent Harry Hopkins, to his aides - "I want to assure you that we are not afraid of exploring anything within the law, and we have here a lawyer who will declare anything you want to do legal."

FDR defined democracy just as Joseph Stalin did - as the mere act of voting. (Of course he believed it was good to lie to the people to influence their votes. He also engaged in vote fraud - he won the 1928 NY Governor's race solely with massive vote fraud in Buffalo.) In a famous speech FDR said "The truth of the matter was that the public neither knew or understood what was involved...In other words, public opinion would be easy to manipulate." So much for the public will.

In the North American Review in 1934, the progressive writer Roger Shaw described the New Deal as “Fascist means to gain liberal ends.” He wasn’t hallucinating. FDR’s adviser Rexford Tugwell wrote in his diary that Mussolini had done “many of the things which seem to me necessary.” Lorena Hickok, a close confidante of Eleanor Roosevelt who lived in the White House for a spell, wrote approvingly of a local official who had said, “If [President] Roosevelt were actually a dictator, we might get somewhere.” She added that if she were younger, she’d like to lead “the Fascist Movement in the United States.” At the National Recovery Administration (NRA), the cartel-creating agency at the heart of the early New Deal, one report declared forthrightly, “The Fascist Principles are very similar to those we have been evolving here in America.”

The chief Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, repeatedly praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state” based on the “demand that collective good be put before individual self-interest.”

On May 7, 1933, just two months after the inauguration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the New York Times reporter Anne O’Hare McCormick wrote that the atmosphere in Washington was “strangely reminiscent of Rome in the first weeks after the march of the Blackshirts, of Moscow at the beginning of the Five-Year Plan.… America today literally asks for orders.” The Roosevelt administration, she added, “envisages a federation of industry, labor and government after the fashion of the corporative State as it exists in Italy.”

"""You know I am a juggler, and I never let my right hand know what my left hand does. I'm perfectly willing to mislead and tell untruths""""...FDR, May 1941

FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”

New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”

In 1935 former President Herbert Hoover was using phrases like “Fascist regimentation” in discussing the New Deal. A decade later, he wrote in his memoirs that “the New Deal introduced to Americans the spectacle of Fascist dictation to business, labor and agriculture,” and that measures such as the Agricultural Adjustment Act, “in their consequences of control of products and markets, set up an uncanny Americanized parallel with the agricultural regime of Mussolini and Hitler.”

In 1944, in The Road to Serfdom, the economist F.A. Hayek warned that economic planning could lead to totalitarianism. He cautioned Americans and Britons not to think that there was something uniquely evil about the German soul. National Socialism, he said, drew on collectivist ideas that had permeated the Western world for a generation or more.

[quote]
A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order , and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski
socialism...big government...anti capitalist

fascism... big government...anti capitalist

Three New Deals: Why the Nazis and Fascists Loved FDR - David Gordon - Mises Daily

Quote:
"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them." lennin

[quote]
"""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism.""" Mussolini



the NASI's were the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) and they are very close to the MODERN liberal





hitler came into power as the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful..........

simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,......,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THEY ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG...............THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS of nazism

Quote:

"As things stand today, the unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation's economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence".

sounds like something pelosi,or reid would say...yet it was hitler who said it(chap 12 of mein kampf)


communism/fascism/socialism/nasism/marxism/american liberalism....all globalists...all born of the progressive movement of the late 1800'ss




and hitler took the guns away from ALL people..only governemt people had the ability to have a weapon

lenin also said this...."A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the people"

"Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." Janet Reno

"This year will go down in history. For the first time,
a civilized nation has full gun registration!
Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolf Hitler

"National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a new world order." ...hitler

"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." bill Clinton

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Ellwood

The blame lies not with the rich but with the people elected to Congress, who by the way, most have become very rich due to their insider information. Congress spends money on what THEY think the people need, not what the American people WANT. They waste money on their pet projects and plying people with programs and freebies making Americans dependency on the government bigger than ever. Government should have no business in Healthcare or Education. Wake up people and let's take our country back.

A majority of the populace disagree with you on the bolded

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

You really mean more people are becoming envious of other people's property. Before the pandemic and government induced lock downs, real median income was the highest on record and the poverty rate was at all time lows.

Lolz, you actually believe that?

[albert648]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

A majority of the populace disagree with you on the bolded

A majority of the populace also don't pay for any of those services.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Grlzrl

My dad was a big advocate of personal responsibility. He would get mad because my grandfather liked to spoil his granddaughters. He wanted to buy all of us cars. We were all actually pretty responsible and we all worked hard. But now as an adult, I get it. My dad wanted us to work for what we had so we learned appreciation for the value of $$. The problem with people like you, is you don't get the value of hard work. Handing everything to people makes them not want to work and makes them lazy. I have seen it first hand on many occasions. My grandfather owned a retail building with apartments upstairs. The family that lived off welfare for my entire childhood was known for working off the books and doing jobs that were not reported so their benefits were not impacted. There are over 80 antipoverty government funded programs paid for by taxpayers. If you learned a little about basic economics, you would know that when you subsidize something, you get MORE of it, not less.

That's not true. Several countries offer single payer healthcare and subsidized college, and their citizenry aren't lazy

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

Musk has created more wealth for other people than most of the rest of the population all together has.

He's also trying to rob millions of their livelihoods by trying to make self driving cars and trucks.....

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

[quote=workingclasshero;62197525]Stalin called FDR in Dec 1933, "a decided and courageous leader." In 1934 he praised FDR's "initiative, courage and determination".


FDR defined Freedom of Religion as Stalin did.

FDR defined Freedom of Speech as Stalin did, i.e. he used the Marxist formulation 'Freedom of Information' in his speeches.

FDR pressed a bill to eliminate the right to bear arms, the guarantee of all others.

FDR told Churchill that "an unwritten Constitution is better than a written one." When reminded there was the Constitution, FDR said after his 1936 inauguration "Yes, but it's the Constitution as I understand it - flexible enough (to do what he wanted)." .......( much like Obama also stated) ....He admiringly told Churchill that Stalin didn't have to worry about Congresses and Parliaments, "he's the whole works." In a letter to a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, FDR wrote- " I hope your committee will not permit doubt as to Constitutionality, however reasonable, to block the suggested legislation." FDR did not believe in Constitutional checks and balances - he tried to destroy and was prepared to defy the Supreme Court and Congress. He did not believe in advise and consent or the rule of law - he waged war and made treaties without Congressional approval. He did not believe in representative democracy and often said that since Congress did not reflect the will of the people they should be ignored.


Probably the best exposition of FDR's procedures regarding the rule of law vs the rule of men was said by his top deputy, KGB agent Harry Hopkins, to his aides - "I want to assure you that we are not afraid of exploring anything within the law, and we have here a lawyer who will declare anything you want to do legal."

FDR defined democracy just as Joseph Stalin did - as the mere act of voting. (Of course he believed it was good to lie to the people to influence their votes. He also engaged in vote fraud - he won the 1928 NY Governor's race solely with massive vote fraud in Buffalo.) In a famous speech FDR said "The truth of the matter was that the public neither knew or understood what was involved...In other words, public opinion would be easy to manipulate." So much for the public will.















[quote]
A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order , and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski
socialism...big government...anti capitalist

fascism... big government...anti capitalist

Three New Deals: Why the Nazis and Fascists Loved FDR - David Gordon - Mises Daily

"""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism.""" Mussolini



the NASI's were the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) and they are very close to the MODERN liberal





hitler came into power as the candidate of 'hope and change',, his plans slowly moved from being helpful to dreadful..........

simple things like 'nationalizing' corporations, removing the guns from the people,,blame the jews (or the modern version 'the zionists'),,duty of the state(government) to PROVIDE for the people,,division of profits (redistribution of wealth), nationalized health care, ,......,,, DO THESE SOUND FAMILIAR, YES THEY ARE THE TALKING POINTS OF THE DNC AND MOVEON.ORG...............THEY ARE ALSO PART OF HITLERS 25 POINTS of nazism




sounds like something pelosi,or reid would say...yet it was hitler who said it(chap 12 of mein kampf)


communism/fascism/socialism/nasism/marxism/american liberalism....all globalists...all born of the progressive movement of the late 1800'ss




and hitler took the guns away from ALL people..only governemt people had the ability to have a weapon

Yawn

[albert648]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

That's not true. Several countries offer single payer healthcare and subsidized college, and their citizenry aren't lazy

As I've said before. Feel free to fund single payer healthcare and subsidized college out of your own pocket. But stay the hell out of mine.