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Old 11-18-2021, 08:25 AM
 
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so much fun watching fans of a rigged, unjust, wildly illogical game argue about the rules....
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Old 11-18-2021, 11:04 AM
 
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Stop mail in voting. That's a start.
Awesome, so people with disabilities, people in the military, and people whose work makes it impossible to vote on election day don't get to vote?
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Old 11-18-2021, 12:36 PM
 
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Awesome, so people with disabilities, people in the military, and people whose work makes it impossible to vote on election day don't get to vote?
Sure they can. I mailed in when I was active duty. But when I advocated to 'stop mail-in voting' I mean to make mail-in voting an exception and not the rule. It means you have to justify why you deserve the mail-in ballot.

Look at it this way...How many entries are there to your house?

You have the main door which is where EVERYONE who owns a home expects everyone else to use. By 'everyone' meaning even our family members are expected to use the main door.

Does your house have a backdoor? Of course it does. But using the backdoor is an exception to the main door rule. You use the backdoor only when you are in the backyard, which is a part of your property.

Does your house have windows? Of course it does. But do you allow anyone, including family members, to use any window as point of entry? Of course not.

Does your house have a crawl space under? If yes, do you allow anyone, including family members, to use that crawl space for entry? Of course not.

Use the same analogy for border control. So for the Left, it is open everything for anything.
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Old 11-18-2021, 03:21 PM
 
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Sure they can. I mailed in when I was active duty. But when I advocated to 'stop mail-in voting' I mean to make mail-in voting an exception and not the rule. It means you have to justify why you deserve the mail-in ballot.

Look at it this way...How many entries are there to your house?

You have the main door which is where EVERYONE who owns a home expects everyone else to use. By 'everyone' meaning even our family members are expected to use the main door.

Does your house have a backdoor? Of course it does. But using the backdoor is an exception to the main door rule. You use the backdoor only when you are in the backyard, which is a part of your property.

Does your house have windows? Of course it does. But do you allow anyone, including family members, to use any window as point of entry? Of course not.

Does your house have a crawl space under? If yes, do you allow anyone, including family members, to use that crawl space for entry? Of course not.

Use the same analogy for border control. So for the Left, it is open everything for anything.
That's not what you said, though. You said "stop mail in voting" with no qualifications or exceptions. Then, your last sentence veers off into immigration, which has nothing to do with stopping election fraud. Which isn't really necessary, as there is no real election fraud. No one worried about it until Trump's ego, which won't let him accept the fact that he lost, made him start spouting stupid crap about a stolen election, massive fraud, and other stupidity. Trump is trying to destroy democracy in the US. He's an autocrat at heart, who wants everyone to jump and say "yes sir, right away, sir" to his every command.
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Old 11-18-2021, 08:15 PM
 
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Awesome, so people with disabilities, people in the military, and people whose work makes it impossible to vote on election day don't get to vote?
'You're not the only one
With mixed emotions'

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Old 11-18-2021, 11:13 PM
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How can we stop election fraud? Simple.

Only vote for the Raffesnsbergers, not the "Stop The Steal" conspiracy types.
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:38 AM
 
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That's not what you said, though. You said "stop mail in voting" with no qualifications or exceptions. Then, your last sentence veers off into immigration, which has nothing to do with stopping election fraud. Which isn't really necessary, as there is no real election fraud. No one worried about it until Trump's ego, which won't let him accept the fact that he lost, made him start spouting stupid crap about a stolen election, massive fraud, and other stupidity. Trump is trying to destroy democracy in the US. He's an autocrat at heart, who wants everyone to jump and say "yes sir, right away, sir" to his every command.
In manufacturing, consistency is critical. Consistency promotes quality products, reduces manpower, increase efficiency, reduces and possibly eliminate delays, and foster trust and even faith. Even when the Constitution assigns the balloting process to the states, each state loses nothing by having consistent procedures and offices.
  1. Only citizens.
  2. In-person voting with ID the primary method.
  3. Mail-in ballots are exceptions and strictly controlled.
  4. Limited time window for all voting methods.
  5. One ballot, one person, one vote.

What would happen to the voting process if all states agreed in principle and application to the above list? But it is telling that the Left have issues with all of the above. No one denies that there were and still are situations where a voter unable or miss voting, but that does not justify open all doors and windows to the house for anyone to enter.

The argument that voting fraud is rare is not tenable because the FIRST goal of a fraud is not to get exposed, THEN comes the benefits of the fraud, so once a fraudulent ballot is counted, we would not know if a fraud existed in the first place.

Want to destroy democracy? Corrupt any/all of the above list.
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Old 11-19-2021, 08:24 AM
 
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In manufacturing, consistency is critical. Consistency promotes quality products, reduces manpower, increase efficiency, reduces and possibly eliminate delays, and foster trust and even faith. Even when the Constitution assigns the balloting process to the states, each state loses nothing by having consistent procedures and offices.
  1. Only citizens.
  2. In-person voting with ID the primary method.
  3. Mail-in ballots are exceptions and strictly controlled.
  4. Limited time window for all voting methods.
  5. One ballot, one person, one vote.

What would happen to the voting process if all states agreed in principle and application to the above list? But it is telling that the Left have issues with all of the above. No one denies that there were and still are situations where a voter unable or miss voting, but that does not justify open all doors and windows to the house for anyone to enter.

The argument that voting fraud is rare is not tenable because the FIRST goal of a fraud is not to get exposed, THEN comes the benefits of the fraud, so once a fraudulent ballot is counted, we would not know if a fraud existed in the first place.

Want to destroy democracy? Corrupt any/all of the above list.
So, Utah is trying to destroy democracy with most votes mailed in? How about Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, and Nevada? They also have large numbers of no excuse required mail in votes.

Limited time window for voting. In Houston, we have early voting in person for about 2 weeks, and we can vote anywhere in the County. Of course, you can't revote if you change your mind.
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Old 11-19-2021, 05:42 PM
 
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The only people who want to stop election fraud are the people who don't benefit from it. If you could cheat and get away with it, why wouldn't you?

We're not talking about a video game here. We're talking about trillions of dollars, the future of yourself, your family, your children, and the world.
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Old 11-19-2021, 05:48 PM
 
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So, Utah is trying to destroy democracy with most votes mailed in? How about Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, and Nevada? They also have large numbers of no excuse required mail in votes.
And in my opinion, they are ALL wrong.

When you vote in person, there are two points of escapes: You and the balloting office.

When you vote mail-in, there is now a third party involved which mean a third point of escape: The US Postal Service.

When you allow ballot harvesting, there is now another third party involved which mean another third point of escape: the harvester.

An 'escape point' is not a guarantee that a fraud will occur. It means a door of opportunity for a fraud.

Just in case you think I made up this phrase 'escape point':

https://quality-one.com/8d/
D4: Root Cause Analysis (RCA) and Escape Point

The root cause must be identified to take permanent action to eliminate it. The root cause definition requires that it can be turned on or off, at will.
The more escape points there are in a process, the greater the potential for something to go wrong.
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