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Old 05-22-2008, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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Hell, we have to help ourselves before we can create the wealth needed to help others. We have to return our economy to wealth creation instead of wealth concentration before we can maintain our own civilization let alone "help" others even if we do have a moral obligation to help.

The devastation in China could be easily matched by the damage a similar earthquake could do in the central US or the San Diego to San Francisco corridor.
The US does not have the population density that China has. I was in the SF Quake (not 1906). There were plenty of pancaked apartment buildings. Luckily the SF quake happened at 5 pm or we would have had hundreds dead.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:01 AM
 
Location: PA
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You want to help with world, stop arming and feeding the world with tax dollars. Then the drug dealers and dictarors of the world will not have America to blame we can get rid of the federal income tax and you can donate your money directly to country you feel needs the most help. I would suggest you pick a family and not a government because this way you know who and why you are helping.

Leave your one world government ideas and UN socialist ideas at the door.

If anything we should be leaving the UN and most of the countries and starting letting them be responsible for themselves.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I never said take over the world.. just help the world help themselves.
In your opinion, should there be a One World Government?
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Assisi, Italy
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I never said take over the world.. just help the world help themselves.
123

Do you mean that you want to help them be more like us?
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:14 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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How much longer are we and the rest of the civilized world going to watch 3rd world countries suffer? I understand you have to help yourself and the world has to figure it out on their own but it is getting ridiculous. Children in Africa are dying of diseases that can easily be cured in any modern civilized country around the world. The Burma situation and their barbaric government is absurd. The disaster in China could have been much less severe if they had just the basic sense of mechanical engineering that the civilized world enjoys. We have the resources. Our take-home sacks from the dinner the night before typically rot in our fridge while children all across the world die of hunger. Our doctors are building artificial hearts while theirs struggle to cure measles.
These are all cultural issues. In our own country, we can't even get the ghetto scum to recognize property rights and the value of authentic education. What leads you to believe that the U.S., or any other country, would be able to make them "see the light?" At the root of all those failures is a lack of respect for property rights: The failure of one citizen to respect another's ability to make money so there's no motivation to set up a factory making measle syrum.

Why would you want people who are bad to prosper? Such an act would come back to haunt us... Have you ever met some of the Bosnian refugees here? They are the scum of the earth AND they're already hardened to violence.


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Yes, we do have a moral obligation. If you are a big strong kid in school and you see a little pip squeek getting picked on by a bully do you sit by and watch?
As the guy who's walked into his neighbors house to stop the old man from beating his woman, after you jeopardize your safety to help the "less fortunate" once, you begin to ask "What's the sense?" when she goes back and gets it the next week.

There's more going on than what you see.


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It's not fair to their children.
Welcome to the jungle. Fair is a luxury that we're lucky enough to argue over... However, it comes at the cost of Afghan kids being collateral damage... that ain't fair either, but that's life.

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Luckily the SF quake happened at 5 pm or we would have had hundreds dead.
I think "luckily" is reaching a bit... We are talking about CA.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:43 AM
 
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These are all cultural issues. In our own country, we can't even get the ghetto scum to recognize property rights and the value of authentic education. What leads you to believe that the U.S., or any other country, would be able to make them "see the light?" At the root of all those failures is a lack of respect for property rights: The failure of one citizen to respect another's ability to make money so there's no motivation to set up a factory making measle syrum.

Why would you want people who are bad to prosper? Such an act would come back to haunt us... Have you ever met some of the Bosnian refugees here? They are the scum of the earth AND they're already hardened to violence.




As the guy who's walked into his neighbors house to stop the old man from beating his woman, after you jeopardize your safety to help the "less fortunate" once, you begin to ask "What's the sense?" when she goes back and gets it the next week.

There's more going on than what you see.




Welcome to the jungle. Fair is a luxury that we're lucky enough to argue over... However, it comes at the cost of Afghan kids being collateral damage... that ain't fair either, but that's life.



I think "luckily" is reaching a bit... We are talking about CA.
My GOODNESS but we're crusty and cross this morning !!!...But you HAVE made some good points, and there's a limit to the "good" we, or anybody else can "do" for folks...with or without their consent. It's one thing for a suffering resident of the Third World to implore "please bring us some food, so our kids can eat". If that were the equation, it would be simple, and I'm sure we'd respond wholeheartedly. But often, it's a case of "Bring food if you must, but leave it at the door. ALSO make sure you bring guns and bullets. We have some 'unfinished business' here we'd like to take care of, after you leave. Oh, and the FOOD? If you do bring it, make sure it's in the original containers. We MAY have to sell it, in order to buy more bullets."

I know this is a big generalization, but it just goes to show that our feeling guilty because we don't always help 'others' as much as they'd like, is FAR from a simple matter of us being simply "lazy, stingy, and selfish". Just like the example of the "inner city", one minute society is 'trying to help', and the next minute society is 'pushing its values on people and telling them how to live'.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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Cf Nihilism. Objective morality doesn't exist.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:27 AM
 
Location: At my computador
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Also, if you really want to help 3rd world countries, call your senators today and tell them "I support the president's farm bill veto." Right now, enomrous agri-businesses are being subsidized by your tax dollars. This makes 3rd world agri-business unable to compete fairly with U.S. business. You pay for the subsidy and then you pay more for foods at exaggerated costs.

Call today if you really want to help... Call soon because they just concluded a vote on a bill, so they can't be too far from beginning that debate.
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