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Lol. Delusional communist. And how does taking from those who work even things out? The wealthier in this country already pay more than their fair share and now you are after the middle class. You can’t logic your way to support your argument. Progressive (aka Marxists) polices don’t make things fair, they steal money that people have earned., this is rightfully theirs. In no way can that be logical.
Also, Last I heard people who work in this country get a paycheck. Can’t say the same in progressive countries like China and North Korea. You want to earn more? In a democracy you are able to by improving your worth to the market. And you can always start your own business. Progressive policies discourage work and bettering yourself and STEAL from those who work and give to those who don’t. It’s that simple.
When I can pay for your everything, childcare food rent health schooling etc? Where TF does it stop?
Who says you're paying for my everything? Unless you are a member of my health plan or live in my school district, none of the money you pay in taxes is paying or has paid for my childcare, food (excepting those food products that are subsidized for the "benefit" of all), rent, health, or school.
Nice deflection from the truth. That’s all socialists have when the truth is exposed. BTW - you are not a nazi that I know of. From your posts you sound like a Marxist, socialist or communist. Choose any one you like, as all paths end up to the same place - The elite becoming more elite and everyone else poor and enslaved to the government.
So the bottom 50% of our country pays more than zero net taxes?
Feel free to help poor people out of your own pocket. I personally don't want the government stealing from me to pay people who won't get a job or make an effort to improve themselves. And I have no interest in trusting an organization that can't even balance a checkbook to help poor people. If I wanted to do that, I'll go buy food and hand it out to the homeless on weekends myself.
Go find out how much taxes people in Northern Europe pay and get back to me on the sustainability of 40-50% of the population supporting 50-60% that pays nothing in taxes. Personally I have no interest in paying those rates, no matter how many freebies I get in exchange for it. It's too much, period.
Ridiculousness.
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest
The long story short version answer to why some American people have unreasonable complaints about taxes & government interference is simply that some American people are apparently unaware of the fact that American styled libertarianism is a marginal idea:
Wagner’s law: “One development that people both on the Left and the Right are unaware of is almost an inexorable force that leads affluent societies to devote increasing amounts of their wealth to social spending, to redistribution to children, to education, to healthcare, to supporting the poor, to supporting the aged.”
Until the 20th century, most societies devoted about 1.5% of their GDP to social spending, and generally much less than that. In the last 100 years, that’s changed: today the current global median of social spending is 22% of GDP.
Social spending is a shared value, as the free market has no way to provide for poor children, the elderly, & other members of society who cannot contribute to the marketplace. As countries develop, they naturally initiate social spending programs.
It's mathematically impossible to have a welfare state that the left wants in an economy where only half the workforce (which by definition is a segment of the population) pay taxes at a realistic tax rate.
Bring me a structure of taxation in which no one pays more than a 40% marginal rate, half the workforce pays no taxes, and the government consistently runs a budget surplus with all the "first world" goodies that you so desperately desire. And no, Saudi doesn't count.
And just from a practical standpoint, I run an operating surplus in my personal finances every month. The federal government has not run a budget surplus in over 20 years. Government is bad at managing money. Pure and simple.
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When I can pay for your everything, childcare food rent health schooling etc? Where TF does it stop?
You paid for the Pentagon's $30 billion. You paid for the POTUS and former POTUS's Secret Service. You paid for a sports stadium you hardly go to.
People pay for others' everything in the vast majority of the world. Yet many of those countries are better for the avg human than this one. They also have the same if not lower taxes out of their paychecks than we do.
It's mathematically impossible to have a welfare state that the left wants in an economy where only half the workforce (which by definition is a segment of the population) pay taxes at a realistic tax rate.
Bring me a structure of taxation in which no one pays more than a 40% marginal rate, half the workforce pays no taxes, and the government consistently runs a budget surplus with all the "first world" goodies that you so desperately desire. And no, Saudi doesn't count.
And just from a practical standpoint, I run an operating surplus in my personal finances every month. The federal government has not run a budget surplus in over 20 years. Government is bad at managing money. Pure and simple.
& "just from a practical standpoint" ...
The mathematical number is zero, i.e. the number of libertarian paradises in the world i.e., the number of developed states with no substantial social spending.
You paid for the Pentagon's $30 billion. You paid for the POTUS and former POTUS's Secret Service. You paid for a sports stadium you hardly go to.
People pay for others' everything in the vast majority of the world. Yet many of those countries are better for the avg human than this one. They also have the same if not lower taxes out of their paychecks than we do.
Tho items you listed are chicken feed compared to how much money we hand over to people who could support themselves but choose to live off the government instead.
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