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Old 09-14-2021, 11:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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No mail-in voting except Absentee voting, where the voter has to request a ballot and specify the address they should send it to, a serial number on the absentee ballot that matches the one on the envelope.

No computerized ballots. Electromechanical counting is OK for speed, but the vote is not certified until every paper ballot is visually counted. Yes, get ready to hire a BUNCH of vote-counters, and supervisors, secure elections done right ain't cheap.

If a person can't get to the polls on election day, he can give his ballot to a trusted person (spouse, sibling, of-age descendent), whoever he wants. He must fill out a form listing his name, address, and who he wants to bring in his ballot; and he and the trusted person must both sign it. (California does this already.) It's up to each voter to be responsible enough to get their ballot to the polls on Election Day. All ballots must be in the polling place or Registrar's office by midnight on Election Day. Any ballot arriving after that time will be discarded.

Military, diplomatic etc. personnel stationed overseas on duty, must hand their ballot to a govt official (superior officer, embassy office etc.) in time for it to arrive at their home state's registrar by Election Day. These are the ONLY ballots permitted to arrive before Election Day. Designated officers must get such ballots to their destination as quickly as possible, in time for the election.

When you go to the polls to vote, you must show govt-issued photo ID. States or Feds must issue a suitable Photo ID (Driver's license or standard state ID or passport etc.) to any eligible person for free.

If your ballot is damaged, or you accidentally marked the wrong box or whatever, poll workers will have blank "provisional ballots" available. At the polling place, you give your damaged ballot to the poll worker and tell him what happened, and he will tear it up in front of your eyes, and give you the blank provisional ballot. You must mark the ballot and get it in to a polling place by midnight on Election day.

Yes, I know, this won't be as easy and freewheeling as the vote-anytime-anywhere-get-it-in-by-any-uncontrolled-and-unsupervised-method-you-like deal we have today. This is the first time we had such loose, uncontrolled handling of ballots. Strictly controlling it as described above, used to be the norm. It's still not foolproof, or Democrat-proof, but it's much harder to cheat, than today's grotesquely uncontrolled version.

The idea is, the ballot is NEVER out of your control, from the time the poll worker hands it to you, until the time you mark it and hand it back. And he then puts it in the ballot box before your eyes.

Ballot boxes are strictly controlled, too. every time a ballot box changes hands, paperwork goes with it, with the giver and the receiver each signing the custody form. They weigh the box, note any possible damage to the box, record it, and pass it on. This is a standard way to handle classified documents in the military (and I would guess in diplomatic circles), and should be adhered to.

Sure, it's a hassle. If you don't like it, go work for the Post Office or UPS or your local Boy Scout troop instead. The goal (as it has been for centuries, until just recently when Democrats had major reasons for wanting to cheat) is to keep ballots secure, and make sure that what each citizen put on his ballot, is what winds up getting counted for him.

That's what the next major election should be like.

Count on the Democrats screaming bloody murder over that idea, of course. They'll swear up and down there's not enough time to prepare, not enough time to print and distribute ballots, too difficult for states to change from whatever method they've used in the past (Often Dominion voting machines), not enough time to train people to help voters with voting, you name it. Most of which is laughable false, and all of which CAN be done in as little as a few months.

But they will come up with every excuse in the book, except the real reason they don't want to do election sthat way: It's WAY too hard to cheat in the volumes they need to win.

Which is exactly why the elections SHOULD be held that way.

What would you like to see the next major election do? Reasons for, reasons against?
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Old 09-14-2021, 11:58 AM
 
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A goddam picture ID.
It’s so damn simple I just don’t get the damn chaos surrounding it.
It shouldn’t be any harder than getting a driver license.
You present documentation, take a mugshot, pay a fee of course(racist) and you are issued the ID. Actually it could all be wrapped into 1 like these new “smart” ID’s that states are rolling out. Driver, passport, and voter ID all in one.
What the hell is the big deal?
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Old 09-14-2021, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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This is so factually incorrect it would be laughable if not so sad.

States with mail in voting have lower fraud and higher participation. It's a no brainer except to GOPers who want to restrict voting as much as they can because they know that when more people vote, they lose.
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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A goddam picture ID.
It’s so damn simple I just don’t get the damn chaos surrounding it.
It shouldn’t be any harder than getting a driver license.
You present documentation, take a mugshot, pay a fee of course(racist) and you are issued the ID. Actually it could all be wrapped into 1 like these new “smart” ID’s that states are rolling out. Driver, passport, and voter ID all in one.
What the hell is the big deal?
You shouldn't have to pay for an ID you need to vote. No poll taxes, remember?

Drivers' licenses, passports, and other things you have to pay for are fine for a Voter ID. But if you don't want to pay, govt should issue you a legitimate photo ID for free.

As you said, it's the most effective single way to make it hard for the Democrats to cheat.
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:06 PM
 
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You shouldn't have to pay for an ID you need to vote. No poll taxes, remember?

Drivers' licenses, passports, and other things you have to pay for are fine for a Voter ID. But if you don't want to pay, govt should issue you a legitimate photo ID for free.

As you said, it's the most effective single way to make it hard for the Democrats to cheat.
Ok free, whatever. I agree with that.
But these *******s need to do this ASAP.
It would shut a hell of a lot of people up with conspiracy claims and such, and if this stuff is indeed real, it should stop, or at least make it nearly impossible to commit fraud.
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:07 PM
 
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In person, with a valid picture ID. It has worked great for many decades. The only reason the left wants that changed is so voting irregularities are easier to get through.
Logical and easy for everyone.

That’s why democrats hate it.
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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States with mail in voting have lower fraud and higher participation.
States with mail in voting have lower detectable fraud and higher participation from cheaters and non-cheaters alike.

Fixed it for you. Funny how liberals always leave out little facts like that, that they don't want normal people to know.

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It's a no brainer
Yup. People with no brains are the ones who believe you.

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This is so factually incorrect it would be laughable if not so sad.
People are laughing more and more, all right. But they're not laughing WITH you, little emm....
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:10 PM
 
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How come the Democrats have money to give $300 per child per month to parents earning as much as $150,000, but not enough to issue a national ID card for a few dollars?
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:18 PM
 
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Below is the correct answer.

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Originally Posted by emm74 View Post
This is so factually incorrect it would be laughable if not so sad.

States with mail in voting have lower fraud and higher participation. It's a no brainer except to GOPers who want to restrict voting as much as they can because they know that when more people vote, they lose.
We already have for the most part what you asked for in the tittle.
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Old 09-14-2021, 12:19 PM
 
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You shouldn't have to pay for an ID you need to vote. No poll taxes, remember?

Drivers' licenses, passports, and other things you have to pay for are fine for a Voter ID. But if you don't want to pay, govt should issue you a legitimate photo ID for free.

As you said, it's the most effective single way to make it hard for the Democrats to cheat.
The problem is that even when you suggest giving the IDs for free, people against it will still complain.

Taking out the fact that you can't basically function in daily life without an ID. I've had people say that there is still a cost with having to take off work. That they still have to spend time to get it. That they need child care. That they don't have a car and need transportation.

The fact is that even if you made it so that the government would send out a person to a place of their choice at the time of their choice for absolutely no cost to get them their ID and register. You would still have people against it because they would say you are "Disenfranchising" some voter..somewhere.
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