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Old 11-05-2021, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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I'm not a Republican, I'm a Conservative, but I too am guilty of this. I do occasionally catch myself, but I'm speaking to myself here as well.

I see this as a pivotable moment in our lifetimes, where the political pendulum is swinging towards the center. Let's seize this moment.

Let's all choose our words more carefully, and use the words Radical Liberals, and Moderate Democrats where appropriate. Let's more clearly delineate the two groups in our posts, as they are very different. Most Indy's, and Moderate Dems, are patriots like us. The radical liberal's are not...they hate America. Big diff.

The radical-liberal-leftist-socialist leaning junk that repulses us, is not coming from most independents, or moderate Democrats. It's coming from a minority of radical leftists who are hiding out in, or who have taken over, the Democrat party.

The Virginia & New Jersey elections shows us that the level-headed Indy & Dem voters are moderating towards the center. They are willing to stay home, or vote Pub, to help us to diffuse the radical left's momentum.

As 1 poster here pointed out to me in a rep comment, the whole Brandon thing thing strikes a raw nerve with the centrists, just like the Orange Man thing did to us. Let's try to rise above, & stop the Brandon stuff in an attempt to meet this Centrists in the middle, & promote a more civil dialogue with them. We need to let go
of our towards them for voting for P-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t Biden (see...it's not that hard).

If I stumble in this endeavor, please help me get back up...freedom is worth it. If we can do this here, and amongst all our interactions, it might grow, and make a difference. Look how close New Jersey was.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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**** Joe Biden

He’s a literal open pedophile senile mental moron that rigged himself in the election, thus destroying the very foundation of the existence of the whole country.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Trump is your problem. He needs to go. Youngkin managed to dodge the mini-Trump label, because, well because he is not a Trumper. But Trump has endorsed 2022 candidates all over the country who talk about the "steal" and little else. They are hard core extremists and proudly shout about it. They are already promising to overthrow the results of the election if Trump does not win. They will win primaries and get creamed in moderate suburban areas.

Then, too, the SCOTUS is about to hand the Dems the issue of the century by allowing states to ban abortion. Nearly 30 states will do it automatically with the ruling. You think suburban women are going to vote for candidates that agree with that? You think your RINO pretenders are going to support women's reproductive rights?
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Sector 001
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Trump is your problem. He needs to go. Youngkin managed to dodge the mini-Trump label, because, well because he is not a Trumper. But Trump has endorsed 2022 candidates all over the country who talk about the "steal" and little else. They are hard core extremists and proudly shout about it. They are already promising to overthrow the results of the election if Trump does not win. They will win primaries and get creamed in moderate suburban areas.

Then, too, the SCOTUS is about to hand the Dems the issue of the century by allowing states to ban abortion. Nearly 30 states will do it automatically with the ruling. You think suburban women are going to vote for candidates that agree with that? You think your RINO pretenders are going to support women's reproductive rights?
His behavior is just an excuse for the left... they don't like that he was more nationalist in his views.. they especially hate that he closed our borders. He could be a saint and they will would have attacked him for being a Republican... doesn't even matter that he started no new wars. The globalists are staunchly open borders, this is their number one issue because it increases their power to have no cultural identity and to break down the strong cultures while promoting the weak ones.

I watched the left character assassinate Scott Walker in Wisconsin and attempt to recall him and he was as polite as could be... he wanted to cut too much of their bloated pensions and have school choice... that was his crime. When they are called the swamp, it's because they care more about their gravy train than doing what's right for the country. They just want to be career politicians raking in the dough. Scott Walker was not part of the swamp, and would make a good president, but he will never get the recognition he deserves.

Perhaps the right should tone it down to welcome the moderates more... I think they should just knock it off with their abortion and marijuana rhetoric and as a party stand for true individual liberty and focus on giving people more freedom, but then holding them accountable with what they do with that freedom. With greater freedom comes greater responsibility. I think it should be left up to the states to enact most policy decisions but that's not good enough for many on the left, who want a collectivist echo chamber... one state wants to ban abortion... that's on them. They can always move to another one. Things would be so much better if we adopted more of a live and let live mentality...

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Old 11-05-2021, 05:44 PM
 
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"Orange Man" came to be used because Trump basically looked like he had a bad spray tan. This was more of a dig against Trump the person, not Trump's Policies.

People were chanting "FJB" were doing that over their displeasure of his policies and lack of any sort of leadership, but there might have been a few who did it just because it was Biden. It became "LGB" because the liberal media(well one person) tried to protect Biden but did it in such a botched way that it became obvious what they were doing and so LGB became more of a rallying call.

Are there any data or links showing that Moderates and Independents would vote for Biden because they find LGB distasteful? If that is the case, then why wasn't there that same outrage with "Orange Man"?
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:48 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Trump is your problem. He needs to go.............
He is gone.
He is no longer President just like Obama and Clinton, both of whom gave speeches and campaigned long after their terms had expired. Obama still does. Bill would if he were invited.


Trump is not the problem. Your reaction to him is.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Okay, this is healthy, we have a civil dialogue started...breath in...breath out....everything will be okay.

You posts are greatly appreciated....great thoughts...I'm listening.

Even if the Dems Indy's don't register to vote as Pubs right away, they can still help, so lets not write them off. Let's allow them to process, & transition if and when they are ready. Even if they just stay home, that is progress.

I prefer for every American to vote, but I know how hard it can be to change parties. Take your time, we'll still be here when you are ready.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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He is gone.
He is no longer President just like Obama and Clinton, both of whom gave speeches and campaigned long after their terms had expired. Obama still does. Bill would if he were invited.


Trump is not the problem. Your reaction to him is.
Okay, you are both right, but can we please change the page & move ahead? How do we find a path forward together and stop allowing the top 1% and the media divide us?

Maybe we agree not to discuss some things for now?
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:53 PM
 
Location: USA
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Not sure why the far-left is your primary concern.

It wasn’t the far-left that invaded the US Capitol on Jan 6, 2021. It’s not the far-left that thinks the election was stolen from Trump.

In the USA, the far-left is a few professors at Berkeley and their minions. That’s it.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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OP:

Not sure why the far-left is your primary concern.

It wasn’t the far-left that invaded the US Capitol on Jan 6, 2021. It’s not the far-left that thinks the election was stolen from Trump.

In the USA, the far-left is a few professors at Berkeley and their minions. That’s it.
Far-left and far right are NONE of my concern...they are to be PURGED from our society. That is my goal.

I want the 60% of us in the center to come together, to expel the extremist who are holding us all back from moving the country forward.

I want to look ahead and not dwell on differences of the past that the top 1% and the media uses against us as a wedge.

The 60% of centrists are losing badly because we have been successfully divided. Our worst enemy is the dividers, and their media accomplices, and not each other.
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