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View Poll Results: What is racist?
Just voter IDs, but magically not vaccine IDs 3 4.84%
Just Vaccine passports, but not voter IDs 4 6.45%
Both are racist 3 4.84%
Neither are racist 52 83.87%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-05-2021, 08:21 AM
 
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It depends on how the vaccine passports are implemented. If the CDC card is sufficient, it is not exactly “racist”, however, things change if there is a requirement to get another ID card or to use an electronic form of vaccine proof. Using the CDC card to prove vaccination would be like using a birth certificate to prove identity or age - there is no “extra step” that a person needs to take to obtain the document, other than doing whatever it is the document is trying to prove (birth or vaccination).
The point of the voter ID => racist is not because voter ID is inherently racist, but because the Left need the most incendiary, morally outrageous, and shameful charge possible to levy at anyone who may even hint at advocating for a voter ID policy. And for now, that charge is racism.

Disclosure: Am an emigre to the US and a naturalized citizen.

Take this from an immigrant's perspective. By the time an immigrant is QUALIFIED TO APPEAL for citizenship, he must have lived in the US for X yrs. Residence does not automatically make citizenship. He just passed a required milestone just to ask for citizenship. In all those yrs, if he rent an apartment, someone ID-ed him somehow. If he opened a bank account, someone else ID-ed him somehow. If he went to college, joined the plumber's union, have a Costco membership, etc...etc...A lot of people ID-ed him somehow. All of these disparate forms of IDs may not be transferable to each other, but the point here is that if this immigrant want something, he will WORK to get that identification approval from someone somehow. Then by the time he appealed for citizenship, there would be nearly zero doubt as to who he claimed to be.

So how is it possible that it is too much work for someone who is instantly a citizen by birth to get a free government ID?

A driver's license require someone to pass a driving test but not everyone can do that, so states allows other acceptable forms of IDs such as utility bills or banking records, in other words, states will accept other institutions to vouch for you. A birth certificate is merely a transfer of data from one format to a different format and states will make that transfer for free.

So in the end, the Left know that labor is not an acceptable excuse to disavow a voter ID policy. That leave shaming via racism and unfortunately too many Americans reflexively recoil from that charge and gave up.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:44 AM
 
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The point of the voter ID => racist is not because voter ID is inherently racist, but because the Left need the most incendiary, morally outrageous, and shameful charge possible to levy at anyone who may even hint at advocating for a voter ID policy. And for now, that charge is racism.

Disclosure: Am an emigre to the US and a naturalized citizen.

Take this from an immigrant's perspective. By the time an immigrant is QUALIFIED TO APPEAL for citizenship, he must have lived in the US for X yrs. Residence does not automatically make citizenship. He just passed a required milestone just to ask for citizenship. In all those yrs, if he rent an apartment, someone ID-ed him somehow. If he opened a bank account, someone else ID-ed him somehow. If he went to college, joined the plumber's union, have a Costco membership, etc...etc...A lot of people ID-ed him somehow. All of these disparate forms of IDs may not be transferable to each other, but the point here is that if this immigrant want something, he will WORK to get that identification approval from someone somehow. Then by the time he appealed for citizenship, there would be nearly zero doubt as to who he claimed to be.

So how is it possible that it is too much work for someone who is instantly a citizen by birth to get a free government ID?

A driver's license require someone to pass a driving test but not everyone can do that, so states allows other acceptable forms of IDs such as utility bills or banking records, in other words, states will accept other institutions to vouch for you. A birth certificate is merely a transfer of data from one format to a different format and states will make that transfer for free.

So in the end, the Left know that labor is not an acceptable excuse to disavow a voter ID policy. That leave shaming via racism and unfortunately too many Americans reflexively recoil from that charge and gave up.
doesnt always work that way. One state does not have to accept another states BC. Had it happen.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:46 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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There is a perfectly logical reason, and everyone knows it.
Which is?.....


Every Younkin voter and two-thirds of McAuliffe voters disagree with you. 82% of Virginia voters disagree with you.

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Old 11-05-2021, 08:48 AM
 
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doesnt always work that way. One state does not have to accept another states BC. Had it happen.
Election policies and applications are done at the state level, so am not sure of the details in your situation.

But my main point remain that labor is not an acceptable excuse to disavow a voter ID policy. This vaccine passport/ID pretty much destroyed the voter ID => racism charge.
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Old 11-05-2021, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Which is?.....

Every Younkin voter and two-thirds of McAuliffe voters disagree with you. 82% of Virginia voters disagree with you.
Even if 100% of McAuliffe voters support voter ID, the democratic party won't lose a single democratic vote by opposing it.

All voters are fundamentally single-issue voters. Why do you think Hispanics and blacks vote for the party of abortion and transgenders in girls bathrooms?

In Europe, most far-left politicians are from areas that are filled with extremely conservative Islamic immigrants. They aren't voting for the far-left because they support same-sex marriage. They vote for welfare and other benefits/privileges.


Democrats have nothing to lose by opposing voter-id, but plenty to gain.
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Old 11-05-2021, 11:25 PM
 
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There were exit polls taken in Virginia and they asked this question. Two-thirds of McAuliffe voters said they supported Voter ID. There is no logical reason for the Democratic Party to oppose Voter ID.
Make voter id free then. I oppose charging for id to vote. That make sense? Also any records required to get id must be free as well.
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Old 11-06-2021, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Make voter id free then. I oppose charging for id to vote. That make sense? Also any records required to get id must be free as well.
you need photo ID + vax card to enter indoor establishments (restaurants, malls, government buildings, etc)

how do poor and black people use those services with this racist mandate from the democrats?
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Old 11-06-2021, 06:04 AM
 
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Make voter id free then. I oppose charging for id to vote. That make sense? Also any records required to get id must be free as well.
But you are cool with needing a vaccine (that blacks are less likely to get) plus photo ID not currently provided for free for entering public businesses.

Aren't you being racist?
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Old 11-06-2021, 01:59 PM
 
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There were exit polls taken in Virginia and they asked this question. Two-thirds of McAuliffe voters said they supported Voter ID. There is no logical reason for the Democratic Party to oppose Voter ID.
There is one logical reason for it: empowerment of vote fraud.
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Old 11-06-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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Make voter id free then. I oppose charging for id to vote. That make sense? Also any records required to get id must be free as well.
Several of the Republican-pushed voter integrity bills have included provision for free state ID. In particular the new law in Texas does this. Democrats have adamantly opposed this, even suing Texas over its voter integrity law.
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