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Old 11-06-2021, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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More and more people using the roads means more and more wear and tear, which requires more and more maintenance....
and that maintenance is already built into the DOT budget
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Old 11-06-2021, 11:49 AM
 
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Maximo Alvarez, who fled Communist Cuba, warned us during the GOP convention.
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Old 11-06-2021, 11:50 AM
 
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This is all about a pilot program to determine the best way to collect road use taxes. Not a tax you will see tomorrow or next month.

No but its coming. They just need to figure the maximum tax revenue they can get away with and most personal data they can extract. That sort of intrusion takes time to plan out.
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Old 11-06-2021, 11:55 AM
 
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This is the problem with frickin 3000 page bills that no one can possibly read


All this crap needs to be in separate bills
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Old 11-06-2021, 11:56 AM
 
Location: USA
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No but its coming. They just need to figure the maximum tax revenue they can get away with and most personal data they can extract. That sort of intrusion takes time to plan out.
They already have all of your personal information via your smartphone, credit cards, Google, Facebook, etc.

If you don’t want the gubmint to know anything about you, join the Amish.
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Old 11-06-2021, 11:58 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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They already have all of your personal information via your smartphone, credit cards, Google, Facebook, etc.

If you don’t want the gubmint to know anything about you, join the Amish.
And now they just want to know how many miles you drive a year so they can tax that as well.
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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No but its coming. They just need to figure the maximum tax revenue they can get away with and most personal data they can extract. That sort of intrusion takes time to plan out.
Yep, that’s the funny/sad thing about this. In an ideal world, some type of mileage tax would replace a gasoline tax (and I believe that is what has been piloted in places like Oregon, but I could be wrong since I haven’t followed this topic very closely). But, we all know that should they consider their pilot to be successful and something like this become law nationally, Democrats would see to it that there would be no tax relief on gasoline; this would just be yet another tax to pay to fund what we now call “infrastructure.”
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The auto insurance companies lobbied hard for this.

This will prevent people from understating to the insurance companies how many miles per year they actually drive in order to be charged less in premiums.
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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A few thoughts...

Driving on the road results in damage to the road... every time.

DOT's contract out major repairs and construction to private contractors. Labor, equipment and material costs incurred by them must be covered. Also, consolidation in the asphalt and concrete industries makes for fewer bidders. The fewer the bidders the less competitive the bidding process with resulting increases in quotes. Tax money pays the contractor.

A fuel efficient car and a similar sized gas-guzzler do similar damage to the road. One uses less gasoline than the other resulting in an imbalance in who pays for road repairs because those repairs are covered by the gas tax. The road user tax is one idea on leveling up who pays for the costs of a highway system. It's not perfect, SUV's are heavier than small cars; so, there would probably be an additional factor added to the user tax of an SUV owner because heavier vehicles do more damage than lighter vehicles.

Tolls are another way to cover repair costs, but they only apply to tolled roads. Tolls don't make sense for covering an entire highway system.

A sales tax is another avenue to cover repair costs. This state tried to pass a sales tax devoted to highway repair, but it was rejected by the voters because it was felt that the trucking industry should pay for all repairs. Trucks are considered the major cause of damage to roads and cars get a pass from the typical driver. On average, cars outnumber trucks 85 to 15 on the roads of this state; so, as a whole, they do similar damage to the conglomerate of trucks.

BTW, If the road user tax were put up for a vote in this state at this moment, it would fail.
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The auto insurance companies lobbied hard for this.

This will prevent people from understating to the insurance companies how many miles per year they actually drive in order to be charged less in premiums.
There's companies now that sell insurance by the mile - literally - like a few cents for each mile you drive somewhere. Deducted from your accounts in near real time. Tech is changing the way we live and the way we pay for the things we use.
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