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Old 11-07-2021, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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Another plan to go from woke to broke. Brilliant.

Soon they'll do away with these plans altogether because not everyone has access to them, therefore, they're racist.
Please don't put that out into the universe.
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Old 11-07-2021, 06:57 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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The link saying "Click here to read the proposed rule" from the sketchy source provided by the OP was dead.
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Old 11-07-2021, 06:59 PM
 
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It depends on how big/small the company is, who manages their 401K and what choices you have.
Some of the smaller companies have very limited options and this type of ruling would definitely hurt those investors.
There's generally no reason to sign up for a company-sponsored 401k unless there's a match in play.

Although I think the whole scheme needs to be restructured such that the match is paid to an account held in an institution of your choosing the way Australia does it. While we're at it, do the same with social security too.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Please don't put that out into the universe.
Or give them any ideas?

You're right, Liam.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:00 PM
 
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The Brandon Administration is a crock of......
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:09 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The link saying "Click here to read the proposed rule" from the sketchy source provided by the OP was dead.
Here ya go....Senate Bill 1762 ..referred to committee end of May.
Authored by a Democrat and co-sponsored by 4 more Democrats.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-.../text?r=57&s=1

(relevant portion):
“(i) consider environmental, social, governance, or similar factors, in connection with carrying out an investment decision, strategy, or objective, or other fiduciary act; and

“(ii) consider collateral environmental, social, governance, or similar factors as tie-breakers when competing investments can reasonably be expected to serve the plan’s economic interests equally well with respect to expected return and risk over the appropriate time horizon.
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Old 11-07-2021, 07:10 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Here ya go....Senate Bill 1762 ..referred to committee end of May.
Authored by a Democrat and co-sponsored by 4 more Democrats.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-.../text?r=57&s=1
Thank you for the link. This says the fiduciary may consider environmental and social issues as long as they discharge their primary fiduciary duties, outlined in Section 404 of the link below (p. 215 of the PDF). There is a huge difference in this saying "may" and it saying "shall." So I don't see it changing anything since the core requirements prescribed by Section 404 don't change.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/.../COMPS-896.pdf

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Old 11-07-2021, 08:58 PM
 
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It depends on how big/small the company is, who manages their 401K and what choices you have.
Some of the smaller companies have very limited options and this type of ruling would definitely hurt those investors.
So this change adds more freedom rather than restrictions that previously existed?
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Old 11-07-2021, 09:01 PM
 
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There's generally no reason to sign up for a company-sponsored 401k unless there's a match in play.

Although I think the whole scheme needs to be restructured such that the match is paid to an account held in an institution of your choosing the way Australia does it. While we're at it, do the same with social security too.
The match is great, but the other benefit is the tax advantaged treatment. Depending on your plan, you can defer taxes on up to $58,000 (more if you're elderly).
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Old 11-07-2021, 09:38 PM
 
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The link saying "Click here to read the proposed rule" from the sketchy source provided by the OP was dead.
the link works fine.
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