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Old 05-17-2022, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by chicagogeorge View Post
Nope. No one is ignoring anything. You said we have homicide rates higher than most developed nations which is true but most developed nations don't have bombed out third world looking urban areas like we have here where the vast majority of gun homicides occur. Get it?
Poverty and crime is certainly an issue, but the shootings in Vegas, Sandy Hook, many, many schools, supermarkets, workplaces like the 10 killed last May in San Jose, or the 9 killed in the Fedex shooting and so many more , are not happening in ghettos.

The list of these types of shootings is lengthy and the body count high.

There is no solution though for the US. It's too late and the lobbyists too powerful. Many here in Canada and probably around the world, thought that after the very tragic Sandy Hook massacre, that there would be some change.

It gives many pause, to see there hasn't been

 
Old 05-17-2022, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Poverty and crime is certainly an issue, but the shootings in Vegas, Sandy Hook, many, many schools, supermarkets, workplaces like the 10 killed last May in San Jose, or the 9 killed in the Fedex shooting and so many more , are not happening in ghettos.

The list of these types of shootings is lengthy and the body count high.

There is no solution though for the US. It's too late and the lobbyists too powerful. Many here in Canada and probably around the world, thought that after the very tragic Sandy Hook massacre, that there would be some change.

It gives many pause, to see there hasn't been
One thing about Sandy Hook, in the aftermath, that people tend to forget is that Americans were MASSIVELY buying up guns. They were not only afraid that they were going to be banned but even worse.....that they were going have to be fighting their own government.
 
Old 05-17-2022, 09:26 PM
 
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Exactly. Most gun homicides occur where the gun laws are the strictest.
I don't think that is accurate. Like the claim from some NRA members that 'there has never been a mass shooting where there are laws allowing concealed carry' just does not stand up to the scrutiny of research on mass shootings.

The NRA says that 'the best way to stop gun killings is to have good people with guns' but that has never been true.
 
Old 05-17-2022, 10:20 PM
 
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I don't think that is accurate. Like the claim from some NRA members that 'there has never been a mass shooting where there are laws allowing concealed carry' just does not stand up to the scrutiny of research on mass shootings.

The NRA says that 'the best way to stop gun killings is to have good people with guns' but that has never been true.
It is true, most mass killings are in "gun free" zones.
 
Old 05-17-2022, 10:39 PM
 
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Well, not according to the Federalist Papers for the militia referred to is the armed public.
You are correct, the 'Militia' today is adults 18 to whenever you are able bodied enough to handle a firearm.


We are all militia if we are over 18 yrs old...and we have FAILED our duty miserably. Gun store owners and Gun dealers are the most guilty, (considering that they comply with EVERY federal gun law the govt creates!) That is not patriotism folks, its the opposite.


No adult should be complying with ANY federal gun law, (and state/local law enforcement need to stop enforcing Federal gun laws ASAP!).


They dont even have to enforce federal gun laws, (but they do it anyway?) I wonder why? Its because they are protecting the Elite class from the peasants.


***how many wealthy or powerful people has anyone seen, that has been charged with federal gun laws? LOL
 
Old 05-18-2022, 07:11 AM
 
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Poverty and crime is certainly an issue,
It the main issue when it comes to gun deaths (other than suicide)

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but the shootings in Vegas, Sandy Hook, many, many schools, supermarkets, workplaces like the 10 killed last May in San Jose, or the 9 killed in the Fedex shooting and so many more , are not happening in urban ghettos.

The list of these types of shootings is lengthy and the body count high.

Too many mentally unstable people walking around these days. Just like the guy who intentionally drove his SUV through a Christmas parade last year. Yes mass shootings also happen in ghettos


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There is no solution though for the US. It's too late and the lobbyists too powerful. Many here in Canada and probably around the world, thought that after the very tragic Sandy Hook massacre, that there would be some change.

It gives many pause, to see there hasn't been
What legislation can you think of that won't violate the 2nd Amendment will prevent these things?
 
Old 05-18-2022, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sick of hearing 2A gives unlimited rights none of the folks who worship 2A will head to their local police department with a converted machine gun claiming 2A. Love to see them in a court room ranting about 2A.

What needs to be done is an expert panel of non political level headed people look over our federal laws and come up with a better solution. This has become so political it will always be used to gain votes. Maybe they should show that Buffalo live stream he made to the public. These mass shootings have become normal for this country to accept.

Last edited by kell490; 05-18-2022 at 07:30 AM..
 
Old 05-18-2022, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I think the US has changed over the last 2050 years, the second amendment has made us one of the most violent countries in the world, the answer is always more guns for those living in the past. This is no longer the wild west.
Please enlighten us all on how you intend to confiscate hundreds of millions of guns.
 
Old 05-18-2022, 07:55 AM
 
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Sick of hearing 2A gives unlimited rights none of the folks who worship 2A will head to their local police department with a converted machine gun claiming 2A. Love to see them in a court room ranting about 2A.

What needs to be done is an expert panel of non political level headed people look over our federal laws and come up with a better solution. This has become so political it will always be used to gain votes. Maybe they should show that Buffalo live stream he made to the public. These mass shootings have become normal for this country to accept.

First most homicides are used with semi automatic handguns or revolvers. The high profile mass shootings such as the one in the Buffalo supermarket the gunman also used a semi automatic rifle. As for "converting" a gun or rifle to fully auto most states have laws against that, but you can legally purchase a fully automatic if you have a Class III license . You are correct that SCOTUS has stated 2A rights are NOT unlimited just like all other rights listed in the Bill of Rights.
 
Old 05-18-2022, 10:58 AM
 
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Sick of hearing 2A gives unlimited rights none of the folks who worship 2A will head to their local police department with a converted machine gun claiming 2A. Love to see them in a court room ranting about 2A.

What needs to be done is an expert panel of non political level headed people look over our federal laws and come up with a better solution. This has become so political it will always be used to gain votes. Maybe they should show that Buffalo live stream he made to the public. These mass shootings have become normal for this country to accept.
First, you would need a constitutional amendment, and that is not going to happen.
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