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Old 11-11-2021, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Emotional argument.

Unless I've made you my guardian, you do not get to make healthcare decisions for me.

I know it's a hard concept that many do not understand.

If vaccines truly worked and COVID was as deadly as they claim, there should be no unvaccinated persons.

Because they would all be dead.

PS. [looks side to side, then whispers] we're still here ...
Some people understand selfishness. (As in, I don't care about you and won't do anything that might help you)

Other people understand Public Health. (As in we are all in this together. Every little bit helps us all. The combination of vaccines, masks and distancing reduces the spread. Each act on it's own doesn't do much, but together they make a big difference. )
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:10 AM
 
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It helps a lot, it slows the spread.

People who do get the disease after vaccination have milder symptoms and recover sooner. The statistics are irrefutable (and you already knew that).

Anyone who is extra vulnerable has a better chance if the people around are also vaccinated. It is one way we can all pull together for our neighbors, friends and loved ones.

Plus, it is easy ... almost effortless to get the vaccine for most people. It is available almost anywhere in the USA and takes very little time. Not much of a sacrifice for something that can do so much good.
I'm guessing that a loved one of yours has an immune condition that makes them more vulnerable. Yes, it is easy to just go to the nearest pharmacy and get the vaccine. But let me ask you something...do you expect those around you to risk myocarditis or some other morbidity for your loved one?
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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People have died from the vaccine. Why do you ignore that fact?

What you are describing is medical collectivism based on an appeal to emotion.

This argument is especially fallacious because the Covid “vaccine” does not prevent transmission or illness.
People have died from the vaccine... how many? Do you know?

Compared to 750,000+ who have died from COVID.

The COVID vaccines may not be perfect, but they do an awful lot to slow the spread of the disease, and keep people out of hospitals. I guess some people think that is not worth anything.

IMHO
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:11 AM
 
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Some people understand selfishness. (As in, I don't care about you and won't do anything that might help you)

Other people understand Public Health. (As in we are all in this together. Every little bit helps us all. The combination of vaccines, masks and distancing reduces the spread. Each act on it's own doesn't do much, but together they make a big difference. )
LMAO. The vax nazis wishing death on the unvaxxed is about public health? Brandon threatening people's livelihoods because he doesn't agree with their personal medical choices is about public health? We are NOT in this together, we never have been, and never will be. And your side initiated the aggression by mandating vaccines. Covid is over and we are done.

We're all selfish to a degree, one side is just openly and notoriously so. So spare me.
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:13 AM
 
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People have died from the vaccine... how many? Do you know?

Compared to 750,000+ who have died from COVID.

The COVID vaccines may not be perfect, but they do an awful lot to slow the spread of the disease, and keep people out of hospitals. I guess some people think that is not worth anything.

IMHO
So much wrong with this post and a clear example of why we continue to be fooled.

750K+ died w/ Covid not from Covid. I'd wager the number of deaths purely from Covid is less than 10k.
Rather than vaccinating everyone, mandate that everyone be under 30 BMI. But nah, they'd rather give us beer, donuts, burgers/fries to get jabbed.
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:15 AM
 
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I am not vaccinated, wish I were. I have severe reactions to vaccines. I am compromised physically and haven't caught Covid. I wear a mask when required. If I fly I will be wearing a triple mask. (Caught a hellacious cold when I didn't wear one several years ago.) I take Vit. D3, Zinc, Magnesium, Quercetin, Vitamin C complex (Solgar) and now just starting taking NAC. These are all from quality manufacturers, not the churned out garbage you seen certain places.

My doctor told me NAC helps with long Covid. His receptionist took it and got her sense of smell and taste back (she has long Covid). NAC is good for a lot of other stuff, too.

I also take a boatload of other quality supplements. I only listed the ones that people are taking to prevent and/or lessen symptoms of Covid.
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:24 AM
 
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Some people understand selfishness. (As in, I don't care about you and won't do anything that might help you)

Other people understand Public Health. (As in we are all in this together. Every little bit helps us all. The combination of vaccines, masks and distancing reduces the spread. Each act on it's own doesn't do much, but together they make a big difference. )
If there truly was a push for public health, the government would ban HFCS in all food products.

*crickets*


Selfishness is defined by the one who wants to take what you have.

Can I have your car? No? Man, you are so SELFISH.


Stealing someone's freedom is selfish.
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:27 AM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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People have died from the vaccine... how many? Do you know?
Shouldn’t one death be too many?

If we can save even one life, shouldn’t we do all we can?

A child has dead from the vaccine for heaven’s sake! Don’t you want to save children?

Where is your compassion?
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:31 AM
 
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If there truly was a push for public health, the government would ban HFCS in all food products.
This. I make it a habit not to take medical advice from an organization that advocated for eating processed food over fresh because it's better for you (wrong), eating a high carb diet because carbs are better for you than fat (wrong), eating margarine over butter because it's better for you (wrong), and continues to serve fast food in school lunch programs (again, fast food is barely food).
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:39 AM
 
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This. I make it a habit not to take medical advice from an organization that advocated for eating processed food over fresh because it's better for you (wrong), eating a high carb diet because carbs are better for you than fat (wrong), eating margarine over butter because it's better for you (wrong), and continues to serve fast food in school lunch programs (again, fast food is barely food).
This is why the "it's for our health" argument is useless.

If it was for our health, kids would have PE/gym every day.

If it was for our health, sugar and grain wouldn't be subsidized to the hilt.

If it were for our health, community gardens growing vegetables would be mandatory in every town.

If it were for our health, all doctors' office would have both a fitness center and a nutritionist available to every patient.

Anyone who thinks the govt cares about their health is an idiot.
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