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Old 11-13-2021, 01:54 PM
 
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CRT never left colleges. The idiots on the right seem to think that teaching about slavery, Jim Crow, etc is CRT. It's not, it's fact.
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Old 11-13-2021, 02:00 PM
 
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I’m a bit tired of this whiny victim mentality. Be an INDIVIDUAL, not a race. Be VALUABLE, not a leech. Be RATIONAL, not a collectivist sheep. I am not responsible for slavery, don’t care about slavery, and owe nobody anything for slavery that took place in ancient Greece, ancient China, or Civil War America. Nobody today is a slave, and nobody today is DUE ANY SPECIAL TREATMENT. Be an individual. Be valuable. Make yourself someone others like and want to be around. Race is irrelevant. I don’t care about it. I don’t want to hear about it. I deal with INDIVIDUALS, NOT GROUPS.

CRT is for groupthink punishment and groupthink entitlement. It is false, wrong, counterproductive, and will increase irrational racism and make life worse for the whiny victims that embrace it. I accept no guilt, and I embrace my “entitlement” as a living human INDIVIDUAL. PERIOD.
More utter crap from someone who cares only about himself. Are you denying that racism never played a part in US history? That there are people who still think Blacks are subhuman? How many times have you refused to take a Black person as a client, assuming they "won't fit in". Are you denying that Jim Crow laws didn't exist? Are you denying that real estate agents did much redlining, fomenting racism and bigotry, simply to make a bunch of money? Do you have any Black friends?
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Old 11-13-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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CRT never left colleges. The idiots on the right seem to think that teaching about slavery, Jim Crow, etc is CRT. It's not, it's fact.
Slavery, KKK, and Jim Crow are taught under U.S. Democratic party history. Social inequality is taught under sociology.

The idiots on the left seem to think more mandatory training is needed.

The left won't stop until 7 figure reparations are awarded to every African American, because apparently that's the only equalizer from all this endless evil white oppression.
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Old 11-13-2021, 02:54 PM
 
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More utter crap from someone who cares only about himself. Are you denying that racism never played a part in US history? That there are people who still think Blacks are subhuman? How many times have you refused to take a Black person as a client, assuming they "won't fit in". Are you denying that Jim Crow laws didn't exist? Are you denying that real estate agents did much redlining, fomenting racism and bigotry, simply to make a bunch of money? Do you have any Black friends?
It's clear that you realize you've lost this debate. You've resorted to just making up stuff up.

1) One doesn't have to deny that racism has played a part in US history to call out CRT for the hateful, racist nonsense that it is.
2) There are some people who think Blacks are subhuman. Again, acknowledging this isn't inconsistent with being anti-CRT.
3) I've never refused a Black client. And I still think CRT is BS.
4) I acknowledge Jim Crow laws existed. And that is not inconsistent with thinking CRT is crap.
5) I acknowledge that real estates engaged in red lining - which is not inconsistent with thinking CRT is crap.
6) I do have Black friends. It's possible to have Black friends and think CRT is crap.


Basically, you've got it in your head that nobody was taught about slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, etc., before CRT. Bad news: I'm 60 years old and I was fully aware of these things before CRT was invented. If that's all you've got, then your argument simply doesn't hold water. Nobody objects to children learning about any of the things you mentioned in your post. Try again. You're either deflecting or have no understanding of what CRT is.
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Old 11-13-2021, 03:01 PM
 
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More utter crap from someone who cares only about himself. Are you denying that racism never played a part in US history? That there are people who still think Blacks are subhuman? How many times have you refused to take a Black person as a client, assuming they "won't fit in". Are you denying that Jim Crow laws didn't exist? Are you denying that real estate agents did much redlining, fomenting racism and bigotry, simply to make a bunch of money? Do you have any Black friends?
I don’t care what other people think, and I am not responsible for what other people think. I heavily discriminate as to what clients I will accept. They have to be rational, fun, and financially able to pursue their goals. Other than that, all races, colors, and creeds are welcome. But you must be rational, reasonable, fun to be around, and able to deliver on your promises.

I don’t care about slavery or Jim Crow. We got rid of it decades ago. Today, you are measured by your individual value. And that is determined by your conduct and character. Be hard working, valuable, and personable. And you will do just fine, provided you don’t make bad personal choices like abusing substances, having unscheduled kids, or being dishonest and unreliable. These are individual traits possessed by individual humans. Not tribes, groups, or collectives. I don’t care who is racist and am not responsible for them and will accept no duty or cost for their shortcomings. Racists exist in people of all races, and it’s not my responsibility. I accept responsibility only for my conduct. And my conduct meets my standards.

You don’t get to steal from me because someone treated your great great great great grandfather was treated poorly. I don’t care about him, he’s dead. And the people who treated him poorly are dead. I accept no responsibility, and I don’t owe anyone alive today a damned thing for ancient transgressions.

Be good and valuable and nice today as an individual, and you will have a good life in our free society.

Will everyone like you? No. Too bad. People are FREE to like anyone they want for any or no reason. There is no obligation to like anyone. But be good and make good choices and be a value to others. Enough people will like you. End of story.

Now stop with this entitled bs whining and tribalism. I reject it.
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Old 11-13-2021, 03:01 PM
 
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Don't be so dense.

And my answer to your first question - as much as necessary for a full understanding of the black experience in this country, along with the vast and varied contributions by black people to the birth and development of this nation.
It sounds like you don't have any understanding of the white experience in this country. I'm trying to recall the last time a law was passed giving preferential treatment to whites in hiring. Or access to education. Or a plethora of other initiatives implemented solely for the the benefit of Blacks. Back to you, sport. This should be funny.
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Old 11-13-2021, 03:04 PM
 
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It's clear that you realize you've lost this debate. You've resorted to just making up stuff up.

1) One doesn't have to deny that racism has played a part in US history to call out CRT for the hateful, racist nonsense that it is.
2) There are some people who think Blacks are subhuman. Again, acknowledging this isn't inconsistent with being anti-CRT.
3) I've never refused a Black client. And I still think CRT is BS.
4) I acknowledge Jim Crow laws existed. And that is not inconsistent with thinking CRT is crap.
5) I acknowledge that real estates engaged in red lining - which is not inconsistent with thinking CRT is crap.
6) I do have Black friends. It's possible to have Black friends and think CRT is crap.


Basically, you've got it in your head that nobody was taught about slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, etc., before CRT. Bad news: I'm 60 years old and I was fully aware of these things before CRT was invented. If that's all you've got, then your argument simply doesn't hold water. Nobody objects to children learning about any of the things you mentioned in your post. Try again. You're either deflecting or have no understanding of what CRT is.
Exactly correct. We were thoroughly taught all this in the 60s, 70s, 80s. We don’t need or want special “entitlement” training now or ever.

CRT IS BLATANT RACISM.
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Old 11-13-2021, 03:06 PM
 
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It sounds like you don't have any understanding of the white experience in this country. I'm trying to recall the last time a law was passed giving preferential treatment to whites in hiring. Or access to education. Or a plethora of other initiatives implemented solely for the the benefit of Blacks. Back to you, sport. This should be funny.
It’s actually quite the reverse. There are special set-asides and unfair affirmative action reverse racist policies all over public life nowadays. It’s a disgrace.
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Old 11-13-2021, 03:08 PM
 
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It’s actually quite the reverse. There are special set-asides and unfair affirmative action reverse racist policies all over public life nowadays. It’s a disgrace.
Affirmative action has benefited every race, including white. White women benefited greatly from those policies, which in turn benefits white families on a whole.
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Old 11-13-2021, 03:21 PM
 
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Affirmative action has benefited every race, including white. White women benefited greatly from those policies, which in turn benefits white families on a whole.
No. Affirmative action is advantaging people by the color of their skin or their gender or some other irrelevant attribute. It’s blatant racism or sexism, which we are trying to get rid of. No one should receive mandated advantages based on their race or sex. Affirmative action is implicitly evil.
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