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Old 11-13-2021, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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It's funny, but the most investigated administration of recent history, Bill Clinton, still managed to get things done while the GOP thre everything at him and his wife.
You could add the Nixon Administration to that, too. Too presidencies investigated to death, who still got stuff done
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Old 11-13-2021, 11:34 PM
 
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The fact of the matter is that Trump worked with a Republican Congress for two years and couldn't even get ObamaCare abolished, due to one Republican--Sen. McCain. Trump and Republicans thought it was a more important priority to get taxes cut, especially for the rich. So no big infrastructure bill.
The tax cut gave me some of the money back in my paycheck that Obamacare took from it.
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Old 11-14-2021, 12:06 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Trump and Republican are lucky that they're not being mocked more than they are about Trump's promise about infrastructure. Another promise that never materialized. Not even for the week he talked about. It's even worse if you remember that some of it has to do with safety - like with bridges.

Economist Paul Krugman said it well.


How Infrastructure Week Finally Happened
But if infrastructure spending is a political winner, why didn't it happen under Donald Trump? The Trump administration first declared Infrastructure Week in June 2017, but no legislative proposal ever materialized, and by the time Trump was voted out of office the phrase had become a national punchline. Why?
It wasn't just incompetence, although that was part of it. The bigger story is that the modern Republican Party is constitutionally incapable -- or maybe, given recent behavior, that should be unconstitutionally incapable -- of investing in America's future. And, sad to say, pro-corporate Democrats, whom we really should stop calling "centrists," have some of the same problems.
https://smartagain.org/2021/11/09/ho...ally-happened/
Lol, the infrastructure bill is a tax hike bill. It calls for taxing and spending, it's exactly what democrats are known for.
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Old 11-14-2021, 02:31 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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Originally Posted by Cida View Post
Trump and Republican are lucky that they're not being mocked more than they are about Trump's promise about infrastructure. Another promise that never materialized. Not even for the week he talked about. It's even worse if you remember that some of it has to do with safety - like with bridges.

Economist Paul Krugman said it well.


How Infrastructure Week Finally Happened
But if infrastructure spending is a political winner, why didn't it happen under Donald Trump? The Trump administration first declared Infrastructure Week in June 2017, but no legislative proposal ever materialized, and by the time Trump was voted out of office the phrase had become a national punchline. Why?
It wasn't just incompetence, although that was part of it. The bigger story is that the modern Republican Party is constitutionally incapable -- or maybe, given recent behavior, that should be unconstitutionally incapable -- of investing in America's future. And, sad to say, pro-corporate Democrats, whom we really should stop calling "centrists," have some of the same problems.
https://smartagain.org/2021/11/09/ho...ally-happened/
You would have thought that urgent projects such as NYC's ageing train tunnels would have been a priority.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYVMxVcsRZM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyQjnW5ZQp8
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Old 11-14-2021, 03:21 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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It's funny, but the most investigated administration of recent history, Bill Clinton, still managed to get things done while the GOP thre everything at him and his wife.



If your point is that Republican legislatures will work with a Democratic president, I agree.

We know Pelosi and Schumer will not cooperate with a Republican president.
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Cida View Post
Trump and Republican are lucky that they're not being mocked more than they are about Trump's promise about infrastructure. Another promise that never materialized. Not even for the week he talked about. It's even worse if you remember that some of it has to do with safety - like with bridges.

Economist Paul Krugman said it well.


How Infrastructure Week Finally Happened
But if infrastructure spending is a political winner, why didn't it happen under Donald Trump? The Trump administration first declared Infrastructure Week in June 2017, but no legislative proposal ever materialized, and by the time Trump was voted out of office the phrase had become a national punchline. Why?
It wasn't just incompetence, although that was part of it. The bigger story is that the modern Republican Party is constitutionally incapable -- or maybe, given recent behavior, that should be unconstitutionally incapable -- of investing in America's future. And, sad to say, pro-corporate Democrats, whom we really should stop calling "centrists," have some of the same problems.
https://smartagain.org/2021/11/09/ho...ally-happened/
?

They were working on a $2 trillion bill that had a chance...

Until trump got butt hurt over something and he torpedoed it like the child he is.
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:22 AM
 
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Lol, the infrastructure bill is a tax hike bill. It calls for taxing and spending, it's exactly what democrats are known for.
Taxing and wasting is more like it.

As for the infrastructure, I'll believe it when I see it. The California HSR is projected to cost taxpayers $100 billion for phase 1 alone, and that's between Bakersfield and Modesto. Anyone who's spent more than 20 minutes in Bakersfield or Modesto knows that building a train between those two cities is a complete waste of time.
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:30 AM
 
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It's funny, but the most investigated administration of recent history, Bill Clinton, still managed to get things done while the GOP thre everything at him and his wife.
Hilarious-

That was the Gingrich Congress getting things done. Clinton fought most of that agenda tooth and nail.......except the parts that netted him millions.

Most investigated my a*s- that would be the Trump Admin, with the dems even ginning up fake accusations (Russian hoax) and trying everything in thier power to remove him as president.

Clinton destroyed America with:

NAFTA
China most favored nation trade status and admission to the WTO
Elimination of red lining, which created the 2008 financial crisis
Ushering in the era of "grifter" presidents, in which the presidency was used to generate cash


China's rise in military and economic power, which threatens the US security and economy, was directly due to the measures created by Clinton.
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Old 11-14-2021, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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?

They were working on a $2 trillion bill that had a chance...

Until trump got butt hurt over something and he torpedoed it like the child he is.
I'm not sure what he got "butt hurt" about, perhaps you can share. But this is from May 2018 from the Hill:

https://thehill.com/policy/transport...its-a-dead-end


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The White House plan, unveiled in February, was meant to provide lawmakers with a framework to craft legislation. But it quickly met opposition from Democrats, who argued the administration’s emphasis on funding from the private sector and state and local governments was the wrong approach to infrastructure.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle immediately questioned how to pay for the president’s proposal, which calls for $200 billion in federal money with the goal of sparking a $1.5 trillion investment by incentivizing private and local investors.
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Old 11-14-2021, 08:20 AM
 
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The fact of the matter is that Trump worked with a Republican Congress for two years and couldn't even get ObamaCare abolished, due to one Republican--Sen. McCain. Trump and Republicans thought it was a more important priority to get taxes cut, especially for the rich. So no big infrastructure bill.
Good point about the first two years of Trump's Presidency, but it was more than just one Republican and Obamacare. Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins also voted with McCain and the Democrats. It's just that McCain's thumbs down vote was highly covered and glorified by the media, that these two other Senators votes were forgotten.

If Biden wanted the Infrastructure bill or his next bill (Build Back Better) to get Republican support or more Republican support, maybe he would work with the Congress to add the border Wall into it. I realize that Democrats are against it, but maybe a border wall or structure with solar panels would alleviate the environmental issues-one of the reasons some Democrats are against it but the solar panels would generate green energy.
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